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Complaints about the iPhone

I don't understand. Isn't it possible for an europpean costumer to buy a device from the apple store and just replace the sim with her older europpean one so she could start using iPhone this year?
 
No doubt the device is locked to the SIM or to a certain network. That's quite easy to do. It's probably also hackable, but that would void warranty no doubt.
 
Really? How bizare. In Brazil GSM phones can be used with any sim you can find. That was actually the main feature that made people adopt them. It's not unusual for somebody with a broken phone to borrough an old one from a friend and just change chips. Anyway... If someone would do that, she would have to deal with the 2-year cyngular contract anyways...
 
Its a great product but in typical Apple style deliberately hamstrung by the limited 3rd party development opportunities. It needs to be 3G for a decent web experience too, unless you are just going to use WiFi for web. And whats that with the no Flash support?

Having said all that:
1. it is not out yet and some of this may well change.
2. I still want one anyway.

I want more than 8Gb too, that's just not enough.

Martin
 
Martin said:
Its a great product but in typical Apple style deliberately hamstrung by the limited 3rd party development opportunities. It needs to be G3 for a decent web experience too, unless you are just going to use WiFi for web. And whats that with the no Flash support?

Having said all that:
1. it is not out yet and some of this may well change.
2. I still want one anyway.

I want more than 8Gb too, that's just not enough.

Martin
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Its not 'hamstrung', its managed. Its a phone that has to work, not a general purpose computer. 3rd Parties will develop for it but they need to through Apple, exactly the same as the iPod.

G3 is coming... its not exactly been a roaring success yet has it?. Most of the world are still building out EDGE networks.

Flash is probably too much for the processor at this point.. who knows? I doubt it was left out to spite all Flash fans (personally Flash is the worst bloody thing to ever happen to the web)

Undoubtedly larger storage options will be coming.
 
I'm not into the techno of cell phones, but I think I read recently that it is LEGAL to unlock phones to make them useable on other networks. A law recently passed, I think. I don't know if that has any benefit for this phone or not.

What I do know is that, in my location, I get reception in areas with Cingular that no one else does. My house for example. My parents house for another.

I don't really care about the iPhone though. It looks cool. I have never bought a phone. I just take the free ones that they give me when I sign up or renew my contract.

Cingular isn't so good for cali folks though. I don't think there is great reception on the western half of the states. I did drive from Alabama to LA and back this past summer. My cingular phone had reception the entire time and never said roaming.
Later,
Jason
 
vinney57 said:
Its not 'hamstrung', its managed. Its a phone that has to work, not a general purpose computer. 3rd Parties will develop for it but they need to through Apple, exactly the same as the iPod.

G3 is coming... its not exactly been a roaring success yet has it?. Most of the world are still building out EDGE networks.

Flash is probably too much for the processor at this point.. who knows? I doubt it was left out to spite all Flash fans (personally Flash is the worst bloody thing to ever happen to the web)

Undoubtedly larger storage options will be coming.
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Now don't get me wrong vinney57. I love apple products, I have been using a Mac professionally since 1989. I love what Apple did with the mp3 market when they released the iPod (I had a 1st gen iPod and I have a latest gen 80Gb iPod now) and as I said I think the iPhone is a great product. But Apple do hamstring all their products, they are not alone in this, but that doesn't make it any the less irritating.

The fact that it is not open to all 3rd party developers is a huge disappointment because it means it won't get specialist apps. I believe the reason Apple are doing this has less to do with managing the phone experience and more to do with managing the iPhone market and their partners interest. Why can't they just enforce strict development requirements.

The whole point of the iPhone is that it isn't just a phone, thats what makes it exciting. Sure it isn't a general purpose computer, but it isn't just a phone either.

I wrote G3 but did of course mean 3G (I have corrected it in my previous post now). 3G hasn't been a roaring success... sure... but why? No compelling applications. Safari on iPhone is a compelling application. Try downloading a rich content web page on GSM.... not so compelling.

Whichever processor they are using, it could eat Flash for breakfast, just look at the other stuff they are doing on the iPhone, there is no shortage of power there. I don't know why Flash and Java have been left out, maybe it is to prevent people developing apps for the iPhone. I am hoping this is just a temporary thing though maybe it will support Flash by June. Whether you like or dislike Flash on the Web is immaterial it has become a standard so lack of Flash support means lots of broken sites.

Martin
 
Let's see... I'm paying more for a product that:
- Can't get on any of the new highspeed cell connections
- Can't run 3rd party apps
- Can only play limited codecs
- Has no handwriting recognition
- Is exclusive to a network I'm not on
...

I could go on, but I really don't care. It's a shame though, because the things it does, it does pretty well... they just... in classic apple form decided to create something which looks sweet but is crippled unless you do what apple wants you to do.

"What you want the latest intel processor now? ... uhh how about in 5 months!"

"Awesome! Thank you apple for giving us a sweet product 5 months after it's been available to the general public. I love waiting for you to tell me when it's time for me to upgrade."
 
Notable quote:

“We define everything that is on the phone,” Jobs told the New York Times. “You don’t want your phone to be like a PC. The last thing you want is to have loaded three apps on your phone and then you go to make a call and it doesn’t work anymore. These are more like iPods than they are like computers.” Jobs told Newsweek something similar. “You don’t want your phone to be an open platform,” he said. “You need it to work when you need it to work. Cingular doesn’t want to see their West Coast network go down because some application messed up.”

“These are devices that need to work, and you can’t do that if you load any software on them,” Jobs continued. “That doesn’t mean there’s not going to be software to buy that you can load on them coming from us. It doesn’t mean we have to write it all, but it means it has to be more of a controlled environment.”
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OS X uses Inkwell so I don't see why you can't use it on the iPhone.

Time magazine talked about the iPhone, they say that Jobs convinced Cingular to change their system to handle the listing of voice mail and other features.

In fact, they say that Apple is the first company to get a wireless telco to agree to their demands instead of the other way around.

Personally I want everything except the phone part. I like keeping my phone in my pocket, and this doesn't seem designed for that.

I can't wait for the iPod minus phone that looks the same and has the 60 Gig drive, but with the WiFi and bluetooth.
 
Thomas Mathai said:
I can't wait for the iPod minus phone that looks the same and has the 60 Gig drive, but with the WiFi and bluetooth.
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I'll second that. Convergence of devices can be useful, but sometimes a phone should be just a phone. The convergence of an iPod and a PDA makes more sense.

Nick
 
Nick Shaw said:
I'll second that. Convergence of devices can be useful, but sometimes a phone should be just a phone. The convergence of an iPod and a PDA makes more sense.

Nick
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And with WiFi, you could (potentially) create a VOIP app that would bypass all of this nonsense. I wait for that day, the day all of that lot (Verizon, TMob, Cingu///AT&T, etc) go quietly into that good night. They've had their predatory day in the sun.
 
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