Compact Flash vs 1.8" SATA flash

[donatello b]

i'm hoping CF cards become the master ( like film neg) and we don't have to make copies on set ... hand CF cards to Producer and they have either editor or post house make the copies ( IE: just like turning film neg into lab) ...

 

[Poi Boy]

I think solid state over hard drive is a no brainer if you are on a commercial shoot and can't afford to re shoot. I would rather pay more for cards than have the cost of reshoot witch includes reputation.
Aloha
-A

 

[David Battistella]

i'm hoping CF cards become the master ( like film neg) and we don't have to make copies on set ... hand CF cards to Producer and they have either editor or post house make the copies ( IE: just like turning film neg into lab) ...

This is what you will probably see.


Let's not forget to consider that the CF card is eventually going to have to record the AUDIO information as well (which will take up bandwidth albeit not as much as 4K would) so the limits will be stretched there

But I hope there will be options. You could record 2K with 4 tracks of audio? or 4K and two tracks? or 4k at high speed with no audio?

Here is something I was thinking about. Film was initially supposed to be recorded and projected at 48fps, because the picture would have been sharper, with less flicker, etc. Obviously it was cost prohibitive BUT

Why not make this the standard in the RED revolution? Imagine how good it would all look? Film and playback at 48fps......maybe RED TWO with the RED CINE Projector...??


David

 

[Teague Kennedy]

This is what you will probably see.


Let's not forget to consider that the CF card is eventually going to have to record the AUDIO information as well (which will take up bandwidth albeit not as much as 4K would) so the limits will be stretched there

But I hope there will be options. You could record 2K with 4 tracks of audio? or 4K and two tracks? or 4k at high speed with no audio?

Here is something I was thinking about. Film was initially supposed to be recorded and projected at 48fps, because the picture would have been sharper, with less flicker, etc. Obviously it was cost prohibitive BUT

Why not make this the standard in the RED revolution? Imagine how good it would all look? Film and playback at 48fps......maybe RED TWO with the RED CINE Projector...??


David

Oh no, you're gonna cause a stir with that one. (anyway, as long as 24p is an option we're all good.)

 

[explosive]

This is what you will probably see.


Let's not forget to consider that the CF card is eventually going to have to record the AUDIO information as well (which will take up bandwidth albeit not as much as 4K would) so the limits will be stretched there

But I hope there will be options. You could record 2K with 4 tracks of audio? or 4K and two tracks? or 4k at high speed with no audio?

Here is something I was thinking about. Film was initially supposed to be recorded and projected at 48fps, because the picture would have been sharper, with less flicker, etc. Obviously it was cost prohibitive BUT

Why not make this the standard in the RED revolution? Imagine how good it would all look? Film and playback at 48fps......maybe RED TWO with the RED CINE Projector...??


David

Have you ever heard of the studies done at that frame rate?

People found it disconcerting... it was "too realistic". True story.

GOtta go, something shiny has just distracted me...

 

[David Battistella]

Have you ever heard of the studies done at that frame rate?

People found it disconcerting... it was "too realistic". True story.

GOtta go, something shiny has just distracted me...

I'd love to read those studies. But consider it now. That was tested at a time when people were not used to moving images. They did not have the "injest capaility" that we have now.

I think it would be cool to do that test again in a world where people have spend most of their lives watching motion pictures.

David

 

[Craig Schober]

frame rate flicker

frame rate flicker

I'd love to read those studies. But consider it now. That was tested at a time when people were not used to moving images. They did not have the "injest capaility" that we have now.

I think it would be cool to do that test again in a world where people have spend most of their lives watching motion pictures.

David

i don't think they were doing studies back when film was still young. they just ramped up camera/projector speed to 24fps (originally 18fps) because, at that point, people stopped seeing the annoying flicker. it was purely an economic choice.

although i agree it would be interesting to see if there's a difference between today's viewing generation and the previous generation's "ingest capability".

 

[JD Holloway]

Step right up!. Be the first on your block to make a 48 fps feature!

I feel it has some of the qualities of interlaced video.
60P would be sweet for sports though.

 

[Jarred Land]

audio takes up VERY little mb/s . Its not zero, but it is fractional compared to video.

 

[David Battistella]

audio takes up VERY little mb/s . Its not zero, but it is fractional compared to video.

This is good news. This has been a good thread. Sorry to mess it up with all the ethereal 48fps stuff.

Thanks,

David

 

[explosive]

The Sata will beat in all but affordability.

but there is also convenience, which Compact Flash wins. You can easily find Compact Flash readers and Fast Cards at consumer retail.

It will take a huge push in demand from the consumer market to make the 1.8" come down in price to be on par. But it has the speed and the capacity advantage, at least right now.

I just thought of this follow up Jarred - taking the above into account, so is this the reason why RED has decided to provide its own brand of CF, rather than its own brand of SATA 1.8" flash? Affordability and convenience?