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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Color Surface for REDCINE-X

I think you would be much better off choosing a control surface for a specific color-correction program. To me, Redcine-X Pro is just a free viewing program that can also create a temporary look for dailies. I would never want to do final color on it.
 
Resolve has just received cheap color control surfaces. I'm wondering if they are worth it Marc?
 
I use the tangent elements ball thingy with DaVinci, and it also works with REDCINE-X.
 
The Tangent Wave ($1,500 USD) would be my first look. Hopefully a RedUser who regularly uses RCX-Pro as their primary color app and has a Tangent Wave can chime in with some specifics, but it seems on point. That said, Marc is certainly correct that RCX-Pro is not - and was never intended to be - a full featured color grading app. Since DaVinci Resolve is available from BMD for free, it could be argued that with their new mini panel ($999 USD), you could have both a control surface and a much broader feature set for less cost than RCX-Pro and Tangent Wave. A lot depends on your specific use case, mileage may vary.

Cheers - #19
 
Tangent Ripple & Wave, Avid Artist Color, they all work fine with RCX and Premiere and Resolve. Pick your poison.
 
+1 on the Avid MC though the Wave is also nice. Not sure if the new BMD unit in that price range has as many options, though I have no doubt the wheels are better and more precise.
 
jake blackstone said:
You know very well, that those panels you mentioned only work with Resolve, so in this context your question makes no sense...
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The new control panels for Resolve are very nice, .. it would be great if they would work in RCx too!!!
 
jake blackstone said:
You know very well, that those panels you mentioned only work with Resolve, so in this context your question makes no sense...
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No I don't, thanks for clearing that up with your level of humbleness. Marc would have known to clear it up to.
 
Wayne Morellini said:
No I don't, thanks for clearing that up with your level of humbleness. Marc would have known to clear it up to.
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You both just love idle talk about subjects you have no first hand knowledge about, so you're clearly deserve each other.
You're welcome:biggrinjester:
 
Wayne Morellini said:
Resolve has just received cheap color control surfaces. I'm wondering if they are worth it Marc?
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The $3000 Mini Panel is getting very positive reviews from a lot of critics, and I think it compares favorably to the big $30,000 panels. But as Jake notes, it only works with Resolve and nothing else. if the o.p. is looking for something specifically for Redcine-X Pro, then you have to look elsewhere.

The Tangent Ripple and Tangent Elements work on a broad spectrum of different kinds of software, so it might be a better way to go for people who work in Premiere and Avid and After Effects and so on. It's still a good panel that works very well.

I really do think you have to sometimes open up your eyes to see what's really out there in the world, and not grab something like Redcine-X Pro just because it's free and it's there. It's a question of using the right tool for the right job. It's good for a very, very limited set of tasks, but I would hate to do more than dailies or viewing on it.
 
jake blackstone said:
You both just love idle talk about subjects you have no first hand knowledge about, so you're clearly deserve each other.
You're welcome:biggrinjester:
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In Your opinion pointedly again Jake.

I'm sure Marc knows exactly this subject, that's why I addressed him. Despite our differences, I know I can trust him. On logic and being able to examine things, you'd better trust somebody like me.
 
Marc Wielage said:
The $3000 Mini Panel is getting very positive reviews from a lot of critics, and I think it compares favorably to the big $30,000 panels. But as Jake notes, it only works with Resolve and nothing else. if the o.p. is looking for something specifically for Redcine-X Pro, then you have to look elsewhere.

The Tangent Ripple and Tangent Elements work on a broad spectrum of different kinds of software, so it might be a better way to go for people who work in Premiere and Avid and After Effects and so on. It's still a good panel that works very well.

I really do think you have to sometimes open up your eyes to see what's really out there in the world, and not grab something like Redcine-X Pro just because it's free and it's there. It's a question of using the right tool for the right job. It's good for a very, very limited set of tasks, but I would hate to do more than dailies or viewing on it.
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Yes, there is a much more extensive free tool.

Thanks Marc. That is really a custom driver/plugin situation, which may never be done. I think they missed an opportunity, as you sell to the competitors customers and promote your downloadable product, potentially double sales onto the pro product and other equipment.

I'm enthusiastic to give the whole colorist thing a burl for fit before deciding to go on to a control surface.

If only Panasonic had gone onto a 900 replacement. Saw one setup the other day, smooth like silk gradients, like looking at an oled without pure black and the saturation turned down. Just makes you stop (and not buy because it is not there yet, but stop anyway).
 
The Tangent Ripple and Tangent Elements work on a broad spectrum of different kinds of software, so it might be a better way to go for people who work in Premiere and Avid and After Effects and so on. It's still a good panel that works very well.
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only color / traansport are susported in the avid ecosystem, no elements
 
Dermot Shane said:
only color / traansport are susported in the avid ecosystem, no elements
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True, my bad. What's bizarre is that Avid is kind of downplaying the Avid Color panel these days, having just announced they're not supporting the older Euphonix Panel (which I used to use).

Tangent Elements will work fine with Baselight, Mistika, Nucoda, Scratch, and quite a few other color-correction apps out there. It even does a passable job in Premiere to a point. I haven't used it with FCPX, but I'm told it works there as well.

Wayne Morellini said:
That is really a custom driver/plugin situation, which may never be done. I think they missed an opportunity, as you sell to the competitors customers and promote your downloadable product, potentially double sales onto the pro product and other equipment. I'm enthusiastic to give the whole colorist thing a burl for fit before deciding to go on to a control surface.
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The really tough thing is that the panel is just the beginning of the expenses and the complexities. Don't forget the issue of getting a really top-notch display, lots of computing power, and tons of fast storage. It's all part of a big world, but the reality is you can do reasonable grading on even a fairly economical system like the Tangent Ripple. That plus a mouse and a keyboard would get you by unless you were doing really intensive projects for clients under tight deadlines. For personal stuff, it'd be fine.
 
I understand. That's what I was meaning, my budget is going on the display computer camera, and other setup first. If I feel is a good fit, then I'll look at expanding into further into the colorist side. I like really fine control, so its something I'm attracted to if I need it. The ability of res to do some effect and NLE, is really a all round winner. If I love it will be worth u
Upgrading to full package. The old shareware model.
 
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