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Closest non-Panavision lenses to Primo?

Technically there isn't such a thing but the closest is Leica R (especially the newer ones for better performance)
Panavision apparently used similar if not identical glass for their in-house lenses.

But the coatings are different and flare easier then the primos


There's a ton of samples and discussion on them: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?112329-LEICA-R-on-RED-Pictures
 
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Chris Kennedy said:
Technically there isn't such a thing but the closest is Leica R (especially the newer ones for better performance)
Panavision apparently used similar if not identical glass for their in-house lenses.

But the coatings are different and flare easier then the primos


There's a ton of samples and discussion on them: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?112329-LEICA-R-on-RED-Pictures
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Didn't know that about the R's, but having shot with the R's and AC'd the primos, I wouldn't at all put them together in similarity of look (of course, that is my subjective opinion though). The glass may be similar or the same, but the coatings are super different. The coating is really where I think a lot of glass separates itself, but especially when it comes to Panavision. I really dig shooting with the R's too, just not for the same content I may want to shoot the Primo's for.

Any particular reason why you're asking? Maybe if we knew the look characteristics or desired effect we could generally help point in the same direction.
 
Brendan_H_Banks said:
Didn't know that about the R's, but having shot with the R's and AC'd the primos, I wouldn't at all put them together in similarity of look (of course, that is my subjective opinion though). The glass may be similar or the same, but the coatings are super different. The coating is really where I think a lot of glass separates itself, but especially when it comes to Panavision. I really dig shooting with the R's too, just not for the same content I may want to shoot the Primo's for.

Any particular reason why you're asking? Maybe if we knew the look characteristics or desired effect we could generally help point in the same direction.
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Thank you Brendon. One of my favourite shoots was on a Leica R with a Scarlet MX. But I agree the coatings are perhaps more significant than the glass.

Well, I'm watching the new Twin Peaks episodes and just loving the look haha.

I like the sense of depth, smoothness and especially flare control. I like the deep focus shots and how the creaminess of the Primos offsets some of that crispness, perhaps. There's good dynamic range there, but warmth also, if that makes sense. I suppose the modern Leicas do this to a degree.
 
Brett Harrison said:
Thank you Brendon. One of my favourite shoots was on a Leica R with a Scarlet MX. But I agree the coatings are perhaps more significant than the glass.

Well, I'm watching the new Twin Peaks episodes and just loving the look haha.

I like the sense of depth, smoothness and especially flare control. I like the deep focus shots and how the creaminess of the Primos offsets some of that crispness, perhaps. There's good dynamic range there, but warmth also, if that makes sense. I suppose the modern Leicas do this to a degree.
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I've actually been waiting for the right job to come through to rent my buddy's rehoused R set, I've seen some pieces he's shot with them and they're gorgeous. Would love to see that piece you shot on the R's!
 
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Brett Harrison said:
Well, I'm watching the new Twin Peaks episodes and just loving the look haha.
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I'm loving the show, of course (Lynch is the greatest living director and TP is the greatest TV show to date, thanks in no small part to Mark Frost's contribution). But I do not like the look. It's not bad, but it's not great. Initially they were going to shoot on 35mm. I wish they had. Lenses, even by Panavision, can't replace film. Having said that, they should have used at least a RED ONE. ;-)
 
Karim D. Ghantous said:
I'm loving the show, of course (Lynch is the greatest living director and TP is the greatest TV show to date, thanks in no small part to Mark Frost's contribution). But I do not like the look. It's not bad, but it's not great. Initially they were going to shoot on 35mm. I wish they had. Lenses, even by Panavision, can't replace film. Having said that, they should have used at least a RED ONE. ;-)
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Hi Karim!

Lynch was one of the first to adopt DV as an aesthetic choice (like Rabbits). I'd be interested to see where it says they were thinking about shooting it on film. I think it's one of the best digital cinema treatments I've seen, up there with Under The Skin.
 
Rabbits is amazing. It's raw David Lynch and it does not disappoint. But that was a Web series. Come to think of it, TP The Return is also a Web series (and that's no insult - I love it).

This is the report from 2014:

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/news/david-lynch-twin-peaks-2016-on-film/

If I were the DP I'd insist on film. I'd probably shoot TP on 16mm. I'd entertain the idea of shooting 2-perf 35mm, as well. It would be interesting to do a serial in 2.35:1. Apple's keynote video was 2.35, and I think last year's was as well.
 
Good intel. He might have decided that the latest processing was exceeding film though, since 2014. I think film is beautiful, but digital is forging a new aesthetic.

Karim D. Ghantous said:
Rabbits is amazing. It's raw David Lynch and it does not disappoint. But that was a Web series. Come to think of it, TP The Return is also a Web series (and that's no insult - I love it).

This is the report from 2014:

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/news/david-lynch-twin-peaks-2016-on-film/

If I were the DP I'd insist on film. I'd probably shoot TP on 16mm. I'd entertain the idea of shooting 2-perf 35mm, as well. It would be interesting to do a serial in 2.35:1. Apple's keynote video was 2.35, and I think last year's was as well.
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