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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Clarifications...

Jannard said:
More correctly, there would be less compression difficulties with a higher data rate. This is a great time to mention that there has been dramatic improvement of REDCODE with Build 16. We have narrowed the gap considerably. It is next to impossible to "break" the codec and codec errors should be a thing of the past. And that includes 4K 16:9. I think that our customers will be thrilled with the improvement, especially in high detail, high contrast scenes. The only reason I mention the DSLR comparison is that we just did one. Best news is that there is still a lot of room for improvement in the RED ONE. And, as always, it will be at no extra charge when we get there...

Jim
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It's so easy to become jaded in this world, but it seems Santa Claus does exist. Thanks Jim. Please hurry with Scarlet - even my girlfriend is excited, probably so I can shut up about it. :biggrin:
 
Jim,

This is just out of curiosity and nothing more. Do you have the capability to tap the signal pre-compression, i.e. uncompressed RAW signal coming from the sensor? If so, have you compared that to DSLR and does the RED fair well? Or was there a decision to never make the RAW uncompressed data available? Didn't know if maybe you had a Frankenstein camera there that can pull from the sensor to compare that vs what you guys are doing with Redcode.
 
stevesherrick said:
Jim,

This is just out of curiosity and nothing more. Do you have the capability to tap the signal pre-compression, i.e. uncompressed RAW signal coming from the sensor? If so, have you compared that to DSLR and does the RED fair well? Or was there a decision to never make the RAW uncompressed data available? Didn't know if maybe you had a Frankenstein camera there that can pull from the sensor to compare that vs what you guys are doing with Redcode.
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You mean Frankie?

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?p=123345#post123345
 
I hadn't looked at those renderings in a while. Forgot how much the camera has changed from its original design.
 
If it hits in the next few days, I'm going to be a very happy man. The next few hours and I'll be ecstatic.
 
Jannard said:
There is a limit of data rate with the compression chips in camera. Jim
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Point in case Jim,

When the new sensor comes out and you start offering the upgrade to the new sensor, I for one, would prefer the option of switching to the circuitry and chips that would allow less compression instead of a bigger chip. The build 16 sampls you've shown, and that amazing candle light 320 ISO clip posted by Shawn Nelson is all I'll ever need to realize that the current Mysterium will do just fine, HOWEVER, paying for an upgrade that allows me to shoot at up to 100 mb/s, now that would be AMAZING!

Possible?
 
Rudi Herbert said:
Point in case Jim,

When the new sensor comes out and you start offering the upgrade to the new sensor, I for one, would prefer the option of switching to the circuitry and chips that would allow less compression instead of a bigger chip. The build 16 sampls you've shown, and that amazing candle light 320 ISO clip posted by Shawn Nelson is all I'll ever need to realize that the current Mysterium will do just fine, HOWEVER, paying for an upgrade that allows me to shoot at up to 100 mb/s, now that would be AMAZING!

Possible?
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The best would be to upgrade both the chip and the compression/databus hardware. THAT would make obsolescense obsolete!
 
Miltos Pilalitos said:
The best would be to upgrade both the chip and the compression/databus hardware. THAT would make obsolescense obsolete!
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I hope you realize the apparent contradiction in your statement. The issue of making "absolescence obsolete" is untenable. Even Red has to offer Epic and there may be more products in future.

I don't want to start a flame war on this issue, but giving you my sincere assessment as I see things.
 
Joofa said:
I hope you realize the apparent contradiction in your statement. The issue of making "absolescence obsolete" is untenable. Even Red has to offer Epic and there may be more products in future.

I don't want to start a flame war on this issue, but giving you my sincere assessment as I see things.
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Actually i never understood really what the motive behind the creation of Epic was, so soon after RED ONE. I was let to believe that RED's masterplan was different and i still hope that i will be able to upgrade my RED in all the meaningful ways when the time comes.

I also have to say that i like the RED ONE much better than what we have seen so far from EPIC even if EPIC's imaging capabilities are superior.
 
Full credit

Full credit

Engineering always involves choices. The smart money says that the Red Team looked at the challenges of retrofitting various aspects of the RedOne versus creating a new platform (Epic) and chose the program they believed would most efficiently achieve their design intent.

By offering a full purchase price credit to RedOne owners they were able to keep the spirit of their promise of making obsolescence obsolete. Count me as completely satisfied with this approach.
 
BobEdot said:
What have we "seen so far" besides a non-operating machined aluminum mockup?
Give the durn thing a chance!
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Well, let's just say that if i had to choose between the RED ONE non operating machined aluminium mockup and an epic one i would still go for the RED ONE.
 
Jannard said:
4. While a comparison of RED in a standard situation (like the charts I shot) has proven that it is extremely difficult to tell the difference from the best DSLRs, in very highly detailed, high contrast scenes (like full frame trees and grass in the noon sun), RED will drop some by comparison. The reason is the data rate. At that point you are comparing compression and not resolution. RED shoots a typical 1.5MB file with REDCODE 36 (which is why you can record 4K at 24fps to a Compact Flash card). That is compared to an 11.6MB file from the Canon 1D MKIII. While RED looks incredible in these situations for motion, you will see a difference compared to a still DSLR. It just makes "science sense".

As usual, "we calls them likes we sees them".

Jim
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As something familiar just for reference purposes.... how dose the 1.5mb file with Redcode 36 compare with a single frame file of data from SR format from an F23?
 
cinepost35 said:
As something familiar just for reference purposes.... how dose the 1.5mb file with Redcode 36 compare with a single frame file of data from SR format from an F23?
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Favourably :bleh:
 
Can anyone else define in technical terms? I'm sure even if the files are around the same size it's not that black and white.
 
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