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Cineform response to Final Cut Studio?

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cineform option to apple?
 
Cineform's been doing this for a while already, I believe.

It's cool that RED is working closely with Mac, but I hope they don't neglect PC editing. The bottom line is, I have never owned a Mac and I never will. I'm a PC guy, and for most of us OS is like Sunni vs Shiite. Aint no way I'm switching, especially after all those f*cking Mac ads dissing PC users! hehe.
 
BTW, I haven't been following the whole MAC/REDCODE thing very closely. Is Final Cut allowing actual native support for REDCODE files, or do you have to convert the REDCODE files into some type of intermediate? I realize you will probably have to do your RAW conversion first, before it will work in any NLE.
 
never say never...
-A
 
Tom said:
The bottom line is, I have never owned a Mac and I never will. Aint no way I'm switching, especially after all those f*cking Mac ads dissing PC users! hehe.
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Eight years ago, I thought exactly the same way. At the risk of starting a PC/Mac war, are you saying those ads are preventing you from buying a Mac? Rather lame excuse, no?

Anyway, it won't hurt to try Mac, you might actually come to like "us". :tongue: :blush:
 
Tom said:
BTW, I haven't been following the whole MAC/REDCODE thing very closely. Is Final Cut allowing actual native support for REDCODE files, or do you have to convert the REDCODE files into some type of intermediate? I realize you will probably have to do your RAW conversion first, before it will work in any NLE.
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Get the tools that work best for you and if you plan on using red it seems that FCP is the way to go. You can install windows on your intel mac and edit FCP and do whatever else in Windows. I was the same way until I got a internship editing on FCP.
 
Desert Rune said:
Eight years ago, I thought exactly the same way. At the risk of starting a PC/Mac war, are you saying those ads are preventing you from buying a Mac? Rather lame excuse, no?

Anyway, it won't hurt to try Mac, you might actually come to like "us". :tongue: :blush:
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Lol, if Apple thinks the best way to get PC people to use Macs is to insult them as fatass dorky nerds, they've got another thing coming. :bleh:

I'm quite happy with my PC, and Premiere Pro, which will also support 4K. I like Adobe products, including Photoshop and After Effects, so I'm looking forward to getting the complete CS3 suite. If I have to buy Cineform, I'm also happy to do that, as their Aspect HD add-on to Premiere for the HVX is probably the single best piece of software I have purchased in recent memory.

In short, I will not be using a Mac!
 
To add yet another perspective to this debate...I own and use both mac and pc products. I've just ordered an 8 core mac pro with the FC studio and i have a comperable 8 core PC system in my studio already.

I hate to see users get caught up in the MAC / PC argument when they should be focusing on the toolset rather than the platform. The reason I'm willing to use both platforms (aside from both finally containing identical Intel technology in them) is that i recognize that each system has its advantages and by combining the best tools from each, I can more easily and effiecietly do my job and make my customers happy. I have yet to run into a customer that actually cares what platform was used to create their prodcut. Bottom line, it doesn't matter. If i deliver a great product, who cares what side of the MAC / PC war you are on.

I think the biggest reason people find themselves in these sorts of arugments trying to convice others that one platform is better than the other, is simply a lack of understanding their options. Take for example Apples new ProRes 'format' which has been praised by so many apple users. If you would rather not use a Mac, try an Avid. DNxHD is the exact same concept and coincidently runs at the exact same bit rates as ProRes (and then some) and will give you stunning results, just as we've begun to see with ProRes.

4K editing? If you are so inclined, you have the pc options and noted above if you prefer not to use FCP. All I'm trying to say to our ever growing community of artists is, find the tools that allow you to do your best work, becuase that IS all that matters in the end.
 
And we're saying our tools are PCs and we don't want to be neglected. Choice is good. I've spent several years using FCP. I hate it. I also hate Premiere and I've been using it longer than any other editing application. To me they're not the tools for the job. So I would like to continue to use the tools I have come to like.

Course I don't care, I'm editing offline for the forseeable future so I have no stake in who supports what RED format. It's SD editing for me!
 
Switching platforms and switching NLEs is a big deal to me. I've invested thousands of hours in learning a PC inside out, and knowing Avid as close to inside out as I can get (still learning). I'd rather spend my time writing a screenplay than re-learning a new platform. And ultimately, all the software will be pretty much capable of exactly the same things within a year or two anyhow. The fact that one has a lead in handling 4K is temporary. In short order, ALL NLEs will be handling 4K in some form or another. Then the next rainbow to chase will be 8K or something. In the meantime, I hope to have spent more time shooting films than re-learning a new platform.
 
Tom said:
BTW, I haven't been following the whole MAC/REDCODE thing very closely. Is Final Cut allowing actual native support for REDCODE files, or do you have to convert the REDCODE files into some type of intermediate? I realize you will probably have to do your RAW conversion first, before it will work in any NLE.
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Seems like you can drap the Redcode RAW file directly into the timeline or ingest it (like p2).

The playback happens via prores.

OR

You can redcine into redcode.

Redcode is supported as soon as you have the cam (as it is a QT component). The "drop raw into timeline" workflow will follow "soon"... -;)

ProRes seems to be HW accelerated through the AJA IO HD.

That's what I've understood.
Could be mighty wrong here.

Gunleik
 
The never this platform or never that platform is really lame. Just use what works for you and let your images do the talking.
Aloha
-A
 
Tom said:
Lol, if Apple thinks the best way to get PC people to use Macs is to insult them as fatass dorky nerds, they've got another thing coming. :bleh:

I'm quite happy with my PC, and Premiere Pro, which will also support 4K. I like Adobe products, including Photoshop and After Effects, so I'm looking forward to getting the complete CS3 suite. If I have to buy Cineform, I'm also happy to do that, as their Aspect HD add-on to Premiere for the HVX is probably the single best piece of software I have purchased in recent memory.

In short, I will not be using a Mac!
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You're not alone! Same feeling, same workflow.
 
The Redcode RAW (4K or 2K) will cut natively on a an FCP timelime (With a 1k or 2k preview). In fact you can drop it right on a Macbook pro from your Reddrive and play it realtime, no rendering. I know I've been doing it in the booth for the last four days. As far as PC support, you can go from Redcine to anything you want on a PC. Scratch (witch runs on XP) will DI Redcode Raw 4k natively. If you want native support in Adobe or Avid products then let them know vocally the need to come to us, just like Apple and Assimilate did.
E.
 
Evin Grant said:
The Redcode RAW (4K or 2K) will cut natively on a an FCP timelime (With a 1k or 2k preview). In fact you can drop it right on a Macbook pro from your Reddrive and play it realtime, no rendering. I know I've been doing it in the booth for the last four days. As far as PC support, you can go from Redcine to anything you want on a PC. Scratch (witch runs on XP) will DI Redcode Raw 4k natively. If you want native support in Adobe or Avid products then let them know vocally the need to come to us, just like Apple and Assimilate did.
E.
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Yeah, what Evin said and also... Redcode via QT will be supported
on windows. Redcine can also output dnxhd QT files.

Deanan
 
Evin Grant said:
The Redcode RAW (4K or 2K) will cut natively on a an FCP timelime (With a 1k or 2k preview). In fact you can drop it right on a Macbook pro from your Reddrive and play it realtime, no rendering. I know I've been doing it in the booth for the last four days. As far as PC support, you can go from Redcine to anything you want on a PC. Scratch (witch runs on XP) will DI Redcode Raw 4k natively. If you want native support in Adobe or Avid products then let them know vocally the need to come to us, just like Apple and Assimilate did.
E.
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Just a small note. In meantime, while they don't supply the support, shall we have the Cineform 4k?

And if so, can we drop it right on a laptop? With a 1k or 2k preview? Likely FCP/Apple?

Will Cineform provide it? Or will the Redcode compression be a better option for editing and color correction?
 
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