CineForm Officially Supports Red One

[David Newman]

So are the looks just set per project with the express workflow?
What if I want 1 clip with one look, and another with a totally different look?
When you run a color correction plugin, does that run on the raw file, or does it
run on top of the LUT (if that's the right use of the term) that is set as the 'look'?

-Tom

Nothing as primitive as one look per project. Each clip has and encode and decode curve profile, a white balance, a color matrix, channel gamma, and a 3D LUT, all stored in a color management database, independent of the NLE, compositor, and even the clips themselves. Each clip has a global unique identifier and all our decoders (SDK, QuickTime, DirectShow and Video for Windows) consult the database to develop the look of the decoder on the fly (much faster than real-time.) You don't need know any of this, other than it is way more flexible than 90% of even our own customers are using. It is possible to color correct an entire project (every clip with a different look) with Express files on one machine and email just the color database (it can be that small) to another machine that is finishing at 4K (works across platform too.) Color profiles can be switched on the fly, allowing different creative corrections to be loaded and save with a single mouse click.

As for run on RAW or through a LUT, it is all really same, as RAW only really implies you have the full dynamic range of your source preserved through the workflow. We use 32-bit float LUTs so there is no clipping, so LUTs and color corrections can be stacked without being destructive.

 

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

David has all the answers.

 

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

David, would it be possible to have a more advanced database that allowed LUT's on a per project basis and not per the individual clip?

For example I want to use the same video clip in one project and use it in another but apply a different LUT for each one.

 

[David Newman]

David, would it be possible to have a more advanced database that allowed LUT's on a per project basis and not per the individual clip?

For example I want to use the same video clip in one project and use it in another but apply a different LUT for each one.

For that you use the multi-database feature in SetActiveMetadata, so for Project A use color database ColorProfileA and for Project B use a different color database. We don't want to key the color profile to the name of the Premiere project as the color would be different in AE or any other tool, the way we do it considers the global picture.

 

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

David, is it possible to use the EDL scripts to work with HD material and not only RAW conversions?

 

[David Newman]

David, is it possible to use the EDL scripts to work with HD material and not only RAW conversions?

Yes, it is doing that now. The new scripts allow this to work for all CineForm conversions for Express, NTSC/PAL, HD422, HD444 and RAW.

 

[Paolo Tinari]

When applying the lut the clip goes dark. Removing the lut the clip in the viewer goes back to normal but the miniframe in the timeline remains dark

 

[David Newman]

Sound like a dark LUT, where did it come from? The timeline thumbnails don't refreash automatically with a change in Active Metadata as those change occur outside of the scope of the NLE.

 

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

Yes, it is doing that now. The new scripts allow this to work for all CineForm conversions for Express, NTSC/PAL, HD422, HD444 and RAW.

I tried using the Custom Settings but the window does not pop up.

It only pops up when clicking on Batch to RAW at source resolution.

 

[David Newman]

I tried using the Custom Settings but the window does not pop up.

It only pops up when clicking on Batch to RAW at source resolution.

I just checked the download of R2CF v1.68 all media supports the EDL batch, you might have missed updating these on the install. Try downloading and installing again. The new VB scripts where dated Oct-29.

 

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

I just checked the download of R2CF v1.68 all media supports the EDL batch, you might have missed updating these on the install. Try downloading and installing again. The new VB scripts where dated Oct-29.

I have v1.68, I will update the Tools directory and try again.

 

[David Newman]

You can check the scripts themselves, all updated scripts will have:
EDLname = ""
on line 26.

 

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

I just updated the tool folder again, and it still does not prompt me to use an EDL...

Just checked the BatchUserSettings script is dated 13 October.

 

[David Newman]

I just checked again, it is all there. Look at the scripts themselves, check the date, and open them in a text editor and look to see that the EDL stuff is there. I think you must be running older stuff from a short-cut that is pointing elsewhere.

 

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

Check your email David.

 

[David Newman]

OK I miss understood, you are talking about BatchUserSettings.vbs, not all the others. This line confused me "It only pops up when clicking on Batch to RAW at source resolution." OK, I was lazy, I didn't update BatchUserSettings.vbs as I didn't think anyone needed to use it.

 

[Christopher Grant Harvey]

Sorry for confusion. :wacko:

Are you able to update all the .vbs scripts in the next update?

Thanks

 

[David Newman]

I updated the R2CFv168.zip link to include the new BatchUserSettings.vbs script.

 

[Paolo Tinari]

I think i have a problem here. As stated yesterday, when i'm coloring applying luts all i get is a black clip.
And this screen grab has a Cineform look file applied with no effects in it at all.
What can be wrong?

 

[David Newman]

I think i have a problem here. As stated yesterday, when i'm coloring applying luts all i get is a black clip.
And this screen grab has a Cineform look file applied with no effects in it at all.
What can be wrong?

I'm not sure I understand your question. The images show a LUT being applied, not black but weird looking (could be correct, if that is what that LUT does, they can do nearly anything.)

Try download know LUTs from here http://www.miscdata.com/LUTs/samples1.zip Check that these work, then we will discussion how you are generating your LUTs.