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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

CineForm Officially Supports Red One

Gabriele, there should be no problem capturing through Xena at 59.94. Please double-check your settings. We're away from the office for a few days so we can't duplicate your setup right away, but it should work fine....
 
Gabriele Turchi said:
Tanks McCarthy!
(actually the same features in that utily are in Machina (control pane for xena)

The only thing that it really doesn't work is the Live capture from RED HDSDI...

Under Premiere the live capture it does not work using Cineform HDSDI capture format , but if i switch the capture format to Aja AVI Capture or Quicktime Aja Capture and Aja Image sequence capture...It works ...
G
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I believe this one is easy. I have been experimenting a lot with the AJA drivers recently. AJA offers version 3.5 on their site, while Cineform includes a different set in this location after install of Prospect:
C:\Program Files\Cineform\Tools\AJAIO\LH

If you use the AJA drivers, the HD-SDI output from Premiere works in Prospect, but I have been told by Cineform that it won't allow capture. Your reference to Machina is the give away that you are using the wrong drivers. Machina is not part of the Cineform drivers, and seemingly incompatible. You also won't have AJA capture options in Premiere, or regular AJA utilities. That is why that little .exe file I have is so crucial for the same output control functionality. I would bet that if you remove the AJA driver installation, and manually install drivers from the Cineform location, your capture issue will be fixed. As to why this is necessary, I have heard from Cineform that AJA requires it for marketing reasons, but AJA tells me they are frusterated that Cineform uses a custom driver against their recommendation. I would love to get that sorted out properly, because I need features from both driver sets.
The one caveat I have found is that, regardless of what I do to remove the Cineform drivers, something still prevents me from properly installing the regular AJA drivers again if I need to. They install fine, but Premiere never gives me access to any AJA features (Presets, editing modes, export options) I am assuming that there is some remanent of the Cineform driver that I can't find, since it has no uninstall process. Anyhow, if you need regular AJA functionality, be warned that this could be an issue, but using the Cineform driver should solve your Prospect capture issue.
 
Thanks McCarthy,

Actually i have tried To uninstall all the Aja Drivers , uninstall the Card from the system and that reinstall using only Cineform...But the problem is the same...(maybe as you said some (aja in my case) part of drivers remain in the system...)...

PS:I did many install uninstall between Cineform and Aja to try , but actually every time i have reinstalled the Aka Drivers i always had the aja settings in Premiere...It's weird that it's not working for you...

What system? (mine is WinXp using a 2.66 MacPro)

Thanks

G
 
Uninstalled everything (Premiere Trial , Prospect Trial , Aja Driver , Aja From The system)...

Than reinstalled in order:Premiere , Prospect ,aja Cineform Driver...

Still no capture...

PS:Off course the capture setting in cineform i have used are 720p 59.994..

PSS: If i switch to OSX keeping the RED on and i start capture in FCP ...no problem (so the SDI in Port and the RED is set properly)

Mmm...

G
 
It's quite annoying to us at CineForm also. AJA has forced third parties to use their OEM drivers and they have not included full functionality (for third parties) in the Machina drivers. In fact AJAs stated position is that if you want to run Machina and a third party application you need to install a dual boot. This isn't user friendly, but we can't do anything about it unless they consolidate the Machina drivers and the third party drivers.
 
Hello David.
McCarthy said: "If you use the AJA drivers, the HD-SDI output from Premiere works in Prospect".
Is it only lost SDI capture? Is it playback SDI the same in both drivers?
SDI capture is no very important on RED workflow.
 
Sorry manual but to me even record it's important...

so,
I think that maybe the problem is win xp (32) running on bootcamp...what do you think?

Or:
Does anyone have ever recorded any footage out from the RED Camera using Cineform HDSDI capture in Premiere ?

I am asking a confirm because The HDSDI out from RED is out of the SMPTE spec...(for example it doesn't work with HDSDI input of Blackmagic product...i have personally tested the HDLInk Pro and it doesn't work...and people from Blackmagic told me that from their test is out of spec...)
It works well with the aja card (capture)...as i said i have captured using Aja Kona in Final Cut and in Windows/bootcamp using machina (aja driver)...
...so maybe it doesn't work with cineform driver for Koan because of this out of spec?

David?

Please is quite important!

Well actually i would prefer activate the playback record cineform/kona in OSX!!!!


Thanks

G
 
David,

If AJA is annoying you, then talk to Blackmagicdesign to work with, they have abilities to develop both chip and the software, you would have easier time dealing with development.
 
I noticed build 188 on the cineform website for prospect 4k updates.

But I can't find anything more recent than build 187 on the REDUSER forum.

Any idea where I can find that?
 
We don't officially post all the updates here, you should download official releases from http://cineform.com. But sometimes we do post public beta here and at DVinfo.net, and we are right in the middle of an upload on 3.4.8 build 191 as a beta.

Prospect 4K - http://02bb6aa.netsolhost.com/downloads/Prospect4kv348b191-090115.zip
NEO 4K - http://02bb6aa.netsolhost.com/downloads/NEO4kv348b191-090115.zip

These are likely the last major beta without CS4 features (yes it is coming,) so this is the CS2/CS3 version.

Some of the changes (there are more not listed.)
Added: DriectShow alpha channel encoding of 8-bit RGBA sources (previously was 16-bit per channel was supported in AE.)
Added: CF2DPX frame range access and more speed when creating DPXs.
Enhanced : Progressive v210 (10-bit YUV) decodes are 20% faster on 4+ core systems.
Enhanced: The CF2DPX example help is better.
Enhanced: Pulldown detection for very long records.
Enhanced: When requesting 24p from 60i, it will now deinterlace until it is more sure it has found a pulldown cadence.
Enhanced: 24p pulldown will be smarter when fed already 24p source than have no pulldown (Canon 24F source) or 50i sources.
Fixed: Look for CoreAVC first as the new CS4 AVCHD breaks AVCHD support in HDLink.
Fixed: Active Metadata with different user accounts.
Fixed: Alpha channel encodes from within BluffTitler.
Fixed: Playback using Vista's Window Media Player is now fast and with the correct aspect ratio.
Fixed: Super-super white (serval stops over) clipping with using Active Metadata but not using 3D LUTs.
 
David,

What about outputting to 29.97 and 59.94 from 24 or 23.976?

There still doesn't seem to be a good pulldown method for going from 24 fps to 30 fps (or 60 fields per second), within Premiere.

The menu page that has that option in CS3, is overtaken by the Cineform menu page, that does not have that option. So it's nowhere to be found.

For me, this is the missing link between the film world and the broadcast world (or even standard def DVD world).

-Thor
 
Both are good ideas for version 4. Most of these additions where small bug fixes found while working on the next major release. This is one reason why we've been mostly quite, lots of positive stuff happening behind the scenes for CineForm.
 
David, when can I get the installer for Prospect HD for Premiere Pro CS4? Jake pointed me to a thread with a Beta workaround, but I just wanted to find out when the installer will be ready. I emailed product support, but never heard back.

thanks
 
Tom said:
David, when can I get the installer for Prospect HD for Premiere Pro CS4? Jake pointed me to a thread with a Beta workaround, but I just wanted to find out when the installer will be ready. I emailed product support, but never heard back.

thanks
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Full CS4 support is a while off. We hope to have first PHD and P4K version 4 releases in a week or two, but those will not yet include the CS4 accelerator than Prospect uses in CS3. NAB is simply getting in the way of CS4 completion, as we have a lot more going on the just Adobe these days. Annoucements coming soon.
 
....very curious......

Have to come see you guys at NAB.....
 
David Newman said:
Full CS4 support is a while off. We hope to have first PHD and P4K version 4 releases in a week or two, but those will not yet include the CS4 accelerator than Prospect uses in CS3. NAB is simply getting in the way of CS4 completion, as we have a lot more going on the just Adobe these days. Annoucements coming soon.
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Get on it guys!
 
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