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'Christopher Nolan and Paul Thomas Anderson Declare War on Motion Smoothing'

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I'm surprised that this is something that has to be fought for. With all the achievements we have seen over the past 20 years, we still have stupid shit that not only has no practical value, but actually degrades our experiences. Filter threads are one. Interlace is/was another. Motion smoothing is one more thing that needs to die.

https://www.slashfilm.com/war-on-motion-smoothing/
 
Kemalettin Sert said:
lol they are so late.Reed Morano was fighting with this in last 5-6 years.
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It mentions this in the article.

Glad this is going this way, especially because they're broadening the idea to include accurate color as well. This is an issue that will only get worse with HDR televisions. The dynamic range and color space is so wide, there's too much room for error without a proper setup.
 
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SD is dead. Interlace is on its last legs. Funny fractional frame rates need to die, and yes, motion smoothing needs to be killed off.

Graeme
 
+1 for euthanizing fractional frame rates

In terms of "advanced" (sic) display tech altering the intended presentation, my first thought is to require that the default is per original intent (frame rate, color space, aspect ratio, etc) indicated by a flag in the content. A viewer could alter it to suit their personal tastes (philistines), but would have to take specific action to do so. ATM, most consumer displays will impose their settings on all material and require user intervention to turn off the "improvements".

Let's flip the script.

Cheers - #19
 
You guys are awesome. Fractional frame rates need to go away for good.

I don't use fractional frame rates and almost all of our clients love what they see and get. The few who insist on fractional frame rates on their projects are generally extreme low budget productions we refer them to another service provider in our network.

I think Amazon Studios and Netflix embed display and sound instructions into their 4k streams. For an example if you were to select Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos encoded content on a LG OLED TV, it automatically changes the frame-rate, turns on Dolby Vision, HDR setting (in most cases) and sound to Dolby Atmos. I have seen this on Samsung QLED equipped TV monitors as well (albeit if they are Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos certified).
 
It is such a ridiculous battle trying to convince someone that 23.98 is completely unnecessary in a majority of circumstances these days.

I think LG has been doing a pretty good job with their OLED offerings honestly. If watching in Dolby Vision I don't think motion interpolation is even an option. Definitely love the idea of a "reference mode" though and that becoming the default. Would be great for the game industry as well.
 
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I think a well coordinated simultaneous opp at 100 Best Buys throughout the country where 4 masked guys with baseball batts smash as many TVs with smooth motion as possible in 30 sec then drop the batts and run out is warranted. The gag would need 4 masked bangers with bats and one covert security/clean up guy per store so 500 guys and 400 $2 GoodWill bats. The resulting news coverage and viral youtube videos would encourage copycats and send a powerful message to the manufactures that the war on motion smoothing is now on and I believe that within days they would announce smooth motion now defaults to off. It would be like taking candy from a baby.
 
I have a feeling that this "War on Motion Smoothing" will be as successfull as the "War on drugs" and the "War on digital cinema-camera's".

The younger generation wants at least 120 fps in 4k and gets eye-fatigue with everything lower than 90 fps.
Same counts for all the others, but they most of the time think they get tired at the cinema because the movie was boring or intense.

I just like the aesthetics of 24 fps and try to fight the eye-fatigue when watching a movie.
 
i think the problem is pretty simple, you have Television set trying improve the Image with interpolation, so they set it to 'ON' be default... the war is between companies trying to sell cheap Televisions and making them look better than the competition or last years model, with motion interpolation

Like someone pointed out above, you can easily turn it off

this war sounds like someone with a crazy huge ego creating drama
 
Remington Chase said:
a well coordinated simultaneous opp at 100 Best Buys throughout the country
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Remember when someone invented a remote universal off switch? They got into big trouble at one of those tech conventions. Maybe someone will develop a universal contoller that turns off motion smoothing.

Ben Scott said:
Every hotel room I go in this gets turned off immediately.
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Beautiful!
 
What is the disadvantage of shooting 23.98 fps vs 24.00 fs?
 
Keegan@Netflix said:
Calibrated modes- Sony is pushing forward.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/07/31/netflix-calibrated-mode-sony-bravia-tv-hdr-4k/
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The funny thing is that in their promo there is no real life colors. Only CGI or heavily stylized images. Flat monochromatic desaturated skin tones, blue florest and so forth.

We probably we don't know what color is the grass anymore.
Once the colorist of Godard asked him what color he wanted the grass to be for a release print he was working on. The next day he recieved a box from Jean-Luc, filled with grass from his garden.

Pat
 
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