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Christian Filmmakers?

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karapetkov said:
Personally, I have great respect for some far east techings, such as Buddhism and Taoism, because they accept all the other possible "paths".

While, at the same time, "the big three" religions: Judaism and its offspings - Christianity and Islam - each claim that they're "the only one"... which isn't very convincing.
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Wouldn't it have been a major mistake to try to send Astronauts to the moon thinking the world was flat?
 
karapetkov said:
If you have to summarize all Christianity into one fundamental idea and express it into one single sentence, what would that be?

Just one sentence, please... only if you want, of course.
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"Above all else love one another."

I think Christians seem to forget that was Jesus' greatest commandment.

Since someone mentioned Obama - I think it's pretty clear many Christians have made a huge mistake becoming the unwitting dups of the NeoCons. I know it's really caused me to lose faith in a lot of "Christians" personally. Thankfully, I'm not alone as there is a new Evangelical Manifesto:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gIMD30g1mDuBXJyCdwZrew3j5RtQD90H2HCO2

Jesus was a communist if anything. He taught redistribution of wealth to those in need. The bible is replete with admonitions to care for those in need and warns of dire consequences otherwise. I think there's an entire swath of American Christians who have turned themselves into the new Pharisees. And it's right there for any with eyes to see.
 
joelnet said:
"Above all else love one another."

I think Christians seem to forget that was Jesus' greatest commandment.

Since someone mentioned Obama - I think it's pretty clear many Christians have made a huge mistake becoming the unwitting dups of the NeoCons. I know it's really caused me to lose faith in a lot of "Christians" personally. Thankfully, I'm not alone as there is a new Evangelical Manifesto:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gIMD30g1mDuBXJyCdwZrew3j5RtQD90H2HCO2

Jesus was a communist if anything. He taught redistribution of wealth to those in need. The bible is replete with admonitions to care for those in need and warns of dire consequences otherwise. I think there's an entire swath of American Christians who have turned themselves into the new Pharisees. And it's right there for any with eyes to see.
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and that is the truth
 
American Christians who have turned themselves into the new Pharisees. And it's right there for any with eyes to see.
ON THE MONEY
 
Joseph Hutson said:
Yes, those that have money should give to the poor, and widowed, BUT it is not the government's job to regulate it.
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If the government should reject Christian scripture when it comes to redistribution of wealth, would you agree that government should also reject evangelical views on abortion, contraception, stem-cell research, creationism, foreign policy (including support for Israel, for apocalyptic purposes, and for bombing Iran and Syria), same-sex marriage, money to "faith-based initiatives", and the tax holiday that churches enjoy?

Edit: It's been a policy position of the Christian Coalition for years now to support "supply-side economics". Why is this form of upward redistribution acceptable, but redistribution downward is not?
 
joelnet said:
Jesus was a communist if anything. He taught redistribution of wealth to those in need.
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Social thinking doesn't always mean communism.

Communism teaches that the party-government should control all aspects of human life - from the economy to the personal life of citizens ["1984" by Orwell gives a very good and horrifying depiction of what it might be].

It's the extreme form of leftist ideologies.

It includes forced abolishment of private property, forced removal of the multi-party democratic system, forced collectivization of workers in state-controlled industrial and agricultural enterprises.

The key word with communism is forced.

There are many other forms of social thinking, who do not propagate forced and violent transformations, but rather - a simple management of the state budget and taxation towards helping the poor, sick, disabled, socially weak citizens and in general - the people who cannot help themselves.

All this could happen in a very civilized manner, and within the confines of a "normal" society - market economy, multi-party democratic system, freedom of speech, etc.

So, not all "helping the poor" means communism.

And I'm certain that Jesus was not propagating any forced or violent methods at all.

Of course, we do not have any real info about him, so I should rephrase:

I do not believe that he has propagated any forced or violent methods.
 
karapetkov said:
Social thinking doesn't always mean communism.

Communism teaches that the party-government should control all aspects of human life - from the economy to the personal life of citizens ["1984" by Orwell gives a very good and horrifying depiction of what it might be].

It's the extreme form of leftist ideologies.

It includes forced abolishment of private property, forced removal of the multi-party democratic system, forced collectivization of workers in state-controlled industrial and agricultural enterprises.

The key word with communism is forced.

There are many other forms of social thinking, who do not propagate forced and violent transformations, but rather - a simple management of the state budget and taxation towards helping the poor, sick, disabled, socially weak citizens and in general - the people who cannot help themselves.

All this could happen in a very civilized manner, and within the confines of a "normal" society - market economy, multi-party democratic system, freedom of speech, etc.

So, not all "helping the poor" means communism.

And I'm certain that Jesus was not propagating any forced or violent methods at all.

Of course, we do not have any real info about him, so I should rephrase:

I do not believe that he has propagated any forced or violent methods.
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I liked what you said, but what do you mean by "real info"?
 
"Real info" is problematic even in science.

I meant that we only have the Gospels, which are human testimony and therefore - not a hard proof.

It's a question of faith.

But I personally believe that such a colossal spiritual, intellectual and social movement - Christianity - cannot be caused by a mere scam :bleh:.

Something happened back then...
 
Shawn Nelson said:
(cough) (cough), sorry, I have a little bit of (bullshit) in my cough.

I'll let Jesus defend himself. But as for how I take it, there is such a massive difference between the Biblical admonishment to make sure no one starves to death or freezes to death and bullshit socialism that thinks everyone deserves color tvs, cars and so forth regardless of how much they work.

Put me down for making sure no one starves/freezes but outside of that, no one gets what they dont' work for. Communism on the other hand, advocates making rewards independent of work effort, I've never read Jesus advocating anything to within 100yds of that.
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The early church was a commune with everyone donating all their worldly goods to help everyone (read Acts of the Apostles to find out more). They too had problems with lazy people mooching off the hard work of others. JesusPeopleUSA (jpusa) up in Chicago used to do the same thing. But....there are plenty of places in the bible where the people are relatively wealthy and not condemed for it.

The whole prosperity preaching thing is relatively new, as in the last 50 years or so.
 
karapetkov said:
The key word with communism is forced.
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Certainly Jesus was no capitalist. I guess that was the point.

I'll agree the forcing part is the offensive part. Ya know, like forcing any government on a sovereign nation by invading with an army. Very communistic thing to do by your definition.
 
Joseph Hutson said:
Hey are there any Christian Filmmakers here on Reduser.net?

If so, where are you on a purchase from Red, and what projects are you currently working on, or planning to produce?

Websites would be nice to see also.

Any of you in Oklahoma or a surrounding state? :)
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Just sent you a PM. By the way, my son is studying film in Full Sail right now!
 
zeke said:
The early church was a commune with everyone donating all their worldly goods to help everyone (read Acts of the Apostles to find out more). They too had problems with lazy people mooching off the hard work of others. JesusPeopleUSA (jpusa) up in Chicago used to do the same thing. But....there are plenty of places in the bible where the people are relatively wealthy and not condemed for it.

The whole prosperity preaching thing is relatively new, as in the last 50 years or so.
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Where is Shawn's post that you quoted, I can`t find it or redirect to it?
 
karapetkov said:
Where is Shawn's post that you quoted, I can`t find it or redirect to it?
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I chickened out and deleted it, but not before he had a chance to quote it :).

I stand by what I typed, I was just going to refrain from jumping in.

But now that I have :). I won't say that Jesus was a capitalist, but to say He is against it is ludicrous.

On the other extreme, I think the prosperity message is baloney, but the Bible constantly teaches that good morals and hard work will bring rewards, which is just common sense.

While I do believe there is good cause for micro-communism, anyone suggesting broad socialists reforms: feel free to give away all your excess wealth. :-D
 
Shawn Nelson said:
I won't say that Jesus was a capitalist, but to say He is against it is ludicrous, I'm tired of socialists suggesting Jesus was that way.
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It's no more or less ludicrous than all the other claims made for Jesus -- for example, that anyone who declines to believe in the version of Him promoted by American evangelicals like Pat Robertson will burn in Hell for eternity. At least there's some basis in scripture for believing Jesus was promoting socialism, while there's no basis in scripture for the business practices of Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed or the Christian Coalition.

Shawn Nelson said:
I agree the early church did wealth sharing. So what?? I don't think that means we should or that it's better, that was one group of people back in a time we can't understand doing something that fit their group and their circumstances, it does not carry to a nation of 300million people.
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If the early practices and thought are irrelevant by now, then why look to the bible to establish modern morality or to justify selective punitive, unloving practices which suit one sect or another?
 
jpp said:
It's no more or less ludicrous than all the other claims made for Jesus -- for example, that anyone who declines to believe in the version of Him promoted by American evangelicals like Pat Robertson will burn in Hell for eternity. At least there's some basis in scripture for believing Jesus was promoting socialism, while there's no basis in scripture for the business practices of Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed or the Christian Coalition.
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I dont give a shit about those guys, so whats your point?


If the early practices and thought are irrelevant by now, then why look to the bible to establish modern morality or to justify selective punitive, unloving practices which suit one sect or another?
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I specifically highlighted one aspect of the early church.
 
Joseph Hutson said:
I got your PM.

How far along is your son at Full Sail? Also, how much did you have to pay after all of the Financial Aid? Is he in his first or second year?
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He is in his first year, but he is already co-directing a short film, which I am being the cinematographer using my Red One. He is also in the middle of writing a script that we will be shooting after we complete the other project.

I just PM you more information, so we can talk off-line about the college.
 
Shawn Nelson said:
I chickened out and deleted it, but not before he had a chance to quote it :).

I stand by what I typed, I was just going to refrain from jumping in.

But now that I have :). I won't say that Jesus was a capitalist, but to say He is against it is ludicrous.

On the other extreme, I think the prosperity message is baloney, but the Bible constantly teaches that good morals and hard work will bring rewards, which is just common sense.

While I do believe there is good cause for micro-communism, anyone suggesting broad socialists reforms: feel free to give away all your excess wealth. :-D
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Shawn,

I have always admired your footage very much, but now I think I will like it even more...:innocent: I do not care if I will be biased, but I will look it from a different perspective, if you know what I mean. BTW, I like very much your new avatar.
 
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