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Cheapest Scarlet Cine Setup: Guestimation?

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Dhruv Govil

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Heya there guys,
So I'm thinking of getting a Scarlet 2/3" Cine. Was originally planning to get a 5DMKII but AVCHD and the high body cost, among other things made me forget about it.

Anyway back to the Scarlet Cine. I know it's not out yet, but assuming I get a the body, what else would I need to have a functioning video camera? and in the cheapest way possible.

I was thinking, depending on what RED actually release alongside it:


  • Scarlet 2/3" Cine
  • Canon EF/EF-S adapter (I shoot Canon SLRs now. I'm not worried about having awesome glass to begin with)
  • CF card recorder
  • REDhandle?
  • LCD screen or viewfinder
  • I/O module with atleast 2 XLR ins and level ins.
  • Tripod mount if the Brain or REDhandle dont have one.
I was thinking that might run at $4.5k or so. Hopefully cheaper but probably not.

Any input from you guys?

I basically want it to shoot shorts but still keep it completely modular.

Thanks
-Dhruv
 
DagMX said:
  • Canon EF/EF-S adapter (I shoot Canon SLRs now. I'm not worried about having awesome glass to begin with)
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Don't forget about the crop factor because of the difference in sensor size. Can anybody figure out what that would be from EF / F Mount SLR lenses to 2/3" as well as APS-C / DX to 2/3"?

EDIT: Looked it up using this website, it's a 4x crop factor so a 50 mm lens has a field of view like a 400 mm!
 
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AndrewGentle said:
Don't forget about the crop factor because of the difference in sensor size. Can anybody figure out what that would be from EF / F Mount SLR lenses to 2/3" as well as APS-C / DX to 2/3"?
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Yeah that's true. I'd need super wide glass to get a decent wide on it. But I guess I could live with that till I can pony up for actual video glass.

I'm a 3D student by trade and a photographer on the side so I'm more than a little uneducated about video systems.
 
DagMX said:
  • Scarlet 2/3" Cine
  • Canon EF/EF-S adapter (I shoot Canon SLRs now. I'm not worried about having awesome glass to begin with)
  • CF card recorder
  • REDhandle?
  • LCD screen or viewfinder
  • I/O module with atleast 2 XLR ins and level ins.
  • Tripod mount if the Brain or REDhandle dont have one.
I was thinking that might run at $4.5k or so. Hopefully cheaper but probably not.
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I don't think $4.5k will do. Just look at the prices for the Red One. CF reader, LCD screen plus the body is already somewhere around $4.7k. I/O module, REDhandle and perhaps even a REDmote. I believe it will end up around $6k, perhaps even more.
 
Zac C said:
5dMKII shoots H.264 thankfully not AVCHD, and its a higher bitrate

:D
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AVCHD and H.264 are both MPEG4 standard codecs. H.264 is the IP network streaming standard. Bitrate alone does not directly correlate with image quality.
 
Kenneth Elkington said:
Well if youre that budge conscious then you may want to forgo the io module in favor of a portable mic preamp with a 3.5mm out. Good quality ones can be had for about $200.
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ah I guess that's an option.
The brains have a 3.5mm input, is that correct?
 
IMO, if your budget is $4.5K, just get the fixed-lens 2/3".
 
CF Cards

CF Cards

You also will need some CF cards that are up to spec. I don't think many third party cards can handle the datastream, so you will have to buy RED cards which run $165 for the 8GB and $495 for the 16GB.
 
Tom said:
IMO, if your budget is $4.5K, just get the fixed-lens 2/3".
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no, I could probably stretch higher, though I would prefer if I didn't have to.

Personally I wouldn't like a fixed lens because having interchangeable lenses would pay of in the long run IMO. Also shooting with a lensbaby would be pretty sweet.




MrOBs said:
You also will need some CF cards that are up to spec. I don't think many third party cards can handle the datastream, so you will have to buy RED cards which run $165 for the 8GB and $495 for the 16GB.
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just out of curiosity, what are the REDCARDs rated at speedwise?

I'm still new to this whole thing, so sorry if I seem as such.
 
sufficient for RED, as they are rated by RED no data transfer speeds stated i think ....
 
Gerald Menclik said:
sufficient for RED, as they are rated by RED no data transfer speeds stated i think ....
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Well they must have a minimum sustained write speed of 36 MB/s to keep up with redcode. If you can find something rated to guarantee that minimum throughput it should work.
 
Kenneth you're right, but I think there could be a problem of "guarantee" - 'cause not using RED's CF would shoot you out of it, or not? Would that mean you could use any CF with sufficient speed withou getting "trouble" with RED - just in case of problems, I mean ....
 
Well at least the lexars have a minimum sustained write speed of 45 MB/s. http://www.lexar.com/digfilm/cf_udma.html
If you want cheaper you're gonna have to check out the cards yourself because very very few manufacturers will actually guarantee a write speed. The only others I can find are PNY Optima Pro, and Sandisk Extreme IV. There are alot of other cards out that will claim "up to" 45 MB/s, but that just means that they might. There could of course be some hidden gems out there if you're willing to try and buy though.

EDIT: Sandisk extreme IV not Samsung
 
got you ... well in taking images I'm not the "risctaker" ;-) so I will better stick with guaranteed speeds .....
 
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and remote modul
and SSD Red drive
and hi-powerd PC/MAC with hi-res monitor and capable software
maybe laptop for on site control and wrangling of data
and tons of HDD to save your footage
good tripod and head
probably FF for precise focusing - crucial thing for this camera and therefore bigger hires LCD screen with noga
some rods, etc.
MB with set of ND filters, and IR cut hot mirror filter
... and some case for all this stuff

:001_smile:
 
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