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Cheapest Functional Red One Kit Possible!

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Edvin Joakim Vigdal

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Hi People! I really would love to join The Red Owner's Party. But sadly just within a tight budget. Therefore I'm looking for a couple more third party sollutions to get the price even lower. Here's my first sketch:

1x Red One Cinema Camera Body
1x CF module
2x 16Gb Red CF cards
1x Battery plate
2x Globalmediapro Li190S-R Batteries 190WH (Optimiced for Red)
1x Globalmediapro SCA2S 2-channel Charger
1x Red LCD 5.6"
1x Nikon lens mount

Any suggestions?
(Dont worry about tripod, lenses, follow focus, mattebox.. I got that available)
 
Nikon Prolock

Nikon Prolock

I for one suggest the Nikon ProLock- you get the G-lens iris control- much better lens variety. and positive lock, and iris gear, etc. just an alternative- I'm sure Red Nikon mount works fine- Prolock just gives you the access to more lenses...
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeEOnklv7Z8
web page link:
http://optitek.org/nikon-prolock.php
Warranty approval thread:
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=36336&highlight=prolock
disclosure: I designed and make the Prolock
 
I have both Red's Nikon mount and the Optitek Nikon Prolock. If you plan on using any Nikon mount lens shorter than 28mm wide open I would recommend the Optitek mount. It is far superior to RED's (or even Nikon's on their still cameras for that matter) because it draws the len's back flange toward the camera such as a PL, Panavision and BNC/R mount does. The Nikon mount relies on spring tention to "hold" the lens flange against mount flange which is a rather poor design. The prolock is also beautifully made. Certainly more than worth the price considering the glass available (14-24mm, 24-70mm, 70-200mm Nikons to name a few. Oh yeah, the Tokina 11-16mm also). Just my 2 cents.
 
Edvin,
you have the basics covered. If you have some extra funds, I would strongly recommend upgrading to the 7" LCD. It's bigger, brighter and draws less power. It was the one thing I splashed out when we put together our first package.
I'd also add a mains adapter ($135) to the package.
 
Here's another vote for the Optitek Nikon ProLock. You will be very glad you spent the little bit of extra cash.
 
Jean-Charles Wolfarth said:
Edvin,

I wouldn't buy a kit now. There are plenty of opportunities to rent a good package for a low price. Just wait for the new lines if you want to own. A 2/3" or S35 Scarlet will definitely rock.
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agreed
 
Yes, in my opinion the best idea would be to (if you can) wait for around 6 months until Scarlet is released.

At least this is the general prediction.
 
I agree. If you can hold out until the S35 Scarlet comes out, you'll save roughly $10,000 over the comparable RED ONE setup.

If you must buy it now, your list sounds good.
 
Buy Used. You can get a good package for a lot less off. Check the equipment for hire section. The S35 Scarlet won't be out for months perhaps a year. Just my opinion though.
 
Thank you all for your replies! Appriciate it!

Where did this Scarlet rumour actually start anyways? Trust worthy?
 
Daniel Valle said:
Wasn't the target release date spring or something?
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Spring 2009, yes..

Scarlet S35 will have advantages over the Red1 like lighter weight rig possibilities, higher framerates, redcode 80, module design, external remote.. but are these worthy waiting, maybe, a whole year (you can make money on with R1) to get? And are these advantages actually as deadly "must haves" as people want them to be? And the prices wouldn't be TOO far from R1. S35 package est. $15K - $20K. My Red One Package - $22K. Time for a good discussion!
 
I would not wait for the S35 Scarlet. you can always buy that later, and in the meantime be shooting.

I give my vote for the Birger mount and Canon lens option. Yes it voids your warranty (maybe it doesn't anymore, not sure where they are at with that argument) but it gives you a noiseless ( I don;t know of any that are so quiet), lightweight remote follow-focus (using the focus motors in the lenses themselves) that is extremely reliable for 3K and PL-lens-like smooth mechanics with long rotation for focus changes all on dirt cheap, top quality L lenses . For us, upgrading the Steadicam would have cost so much more to accomodate the extra weight of other solutions that the "lost" Red cam (cannot upgrade to Epic) virtually paid for itself. That and I like L glass a lot - the only Nikon lenses I really like are Zeiss ZF - and then on Steadicam you are dealing with a noisy motor that is less reliable and drains batteries.

I would also say that SmallHD is a very good cheap LCD that works fine - not the best , but you did say cheap.

Just my 2c.
 
I think if Edvin buys now, he will get the newer 303 stainless locking Nikon mount from RED.
 
Edvin Joakim Vigdal said:
S35 package est. $15K - $20K. My Red One Package - $22K. Time for a good discussion!
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I'm hoping RED is able to put out a cool S35 starter's kit for around 9 or 10K, which would be the brain plus the most basic accessories you need to make it work, sans lens.

If not the price difference compared to the R1 won't be that significant, and the camera's consumers will probably still be the same public that already owns an R1, which is basically established professionals.

At the price point I mentioned, RED can hope sell this S35 kit to cash strapped independent filmmakers, film students, small production houses, wealthier hobbyists, etc.

Maybe they're not after that, once you consider that the fixed 2/3 will probably sell a hoojillion units and will probably be their steady source of profit.

But at the same time I think the scenario has changed - people have been spoiled by the 5D, a full frame sensor and a wide selection of cheap interchangeable lenses. Crappy codec, line skipping and lousy audio or not, this is a reality, and perhaps some will not like to give up on those features, as much as the fixed 2/3 will obviously trump any SLR in terms of video quality.
 
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Rob Ruffo said:
I give my vote for the Birger mount and Canon lens option...all on dirt cheap, top quality L lenses ... That and I like L glass a lot.
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Hi Rob,

Thanks for that.

I am intending to get the Epic with a Canon mount (whenever it comes out), and I currently shoot stills on a Canon 350D (I think that is the Rebel in the US).

Any suggestions for which Canon lenses in particular would fit both the Epic mount and the Canon 350D mount?
 
Daniel Valle said:
I'm hoping RED is able to put out a cool S35 starter's kit for around 9 or 10K, which would be the brain plus the most basic accessories you need to make it work, sans lens.

If not the price difference compared to the R1 won't be that significant, and the camera's consumers will probably still be the same public that already owns an R1, which is basically established professionals.
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According to the current prices, this is the cheapest S35 Scarlet package that can actually shoot footage:

5K S35 Scarlet brain: $7000
2.8" LCD Touchscreen: $900
Side CF Module: $500
Side handle (with battery): $950
Electronic Nikon mount: $500
TOTAL= $9850

Significantly less expensive than a comparable R1. Throw in a couple of 8GB CF cards ($165 each) and a 50mm f1.8 Nikon lens ($130) and you have a bare-bones 5K shooting package for a grand total of only $10,310.
 
Yeah, that is great. It's still a lot of money for me, but I've been saving up for sometime already.

Though it would be awesome if they could make this starter's kit into a standard package so we could get a little discount, like we're getting with the fixed 2/3.

It makes sense, because since these modules will come with every shipped fixed 2/3, they'll manufacture tons of them.

Can't wait! =D
 
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