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Charlton Heston Dies at 84

So the same gun owners here who claim they need guns to defend themselves against government oppression also take mortal offense when someone here, Muroshi, actually ventures to criticize American domestic or foreign policy. So you hate government, but you love everything government does. Odd.

Meanwhile, there's no power the current president doesn't claim for himself, including the right to ignore laws he doesn't like, bomb any country he doesn't like, and subject you, your mother and your child to "enhanced interrogation techniques" for as long as he pleases, without charges or access to the courts, and then "disappear" the body without telling anyone.

Has all this gotten you into the street with your guns? Not exactly.

So the question is, what WOULD the American government have to do to get you really mad?

But of course we know the answer to that. It would have to try to take your gun away. That, or maybe universal health care. Then the streets would run with rivers of blood.
 
Actually, I think Heston would have been happy with this thread, cause his views made us discuss important issues.

I think he'd have liked that.
 
lewis said:
Only Steven Seagal never was against abortion...
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I like the incomprehension in this thread! :)

It's tuff for some... Before internet, we were bitching, but we couldn't do it directly and personnaly to the concerned people... Some might not even realise people were bitching about them before internet... What we don't know... Imagine all the discussions we would have never had!?

Worse! Imagine doing this by fax!!!
 
Evolve said:
... illegal immigrants mostly just want a job to help their families back home.
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muroshi said:
same here. especially things like cleaning public toilets and other low pay staff nobody wants to do. these folks are way cleaner than most lawyers around here.. and of course they have absolutely no interest in crimes because it they would have to leave the country.
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well, why don´t you ask the native americans wether or not the seventeenth century illegal immigration caused a rise in crime and murderrates?

but I am sure there were also indians around back then, who like muroshi was telling everybody that it didn´t mean anything, and that the weather was a mucher bigger issue.
 
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Okay, back to Charlton's questionable standpoints, now that he is pushing up the dasies. :o)

Answer the question directly: Am I correct that you say guns cause suicide, and if so, do you also say that sleeping pills cause suicide? Simple question. The reason why I pursue this is because this is the fundamental point that underlies the entire argument.
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They both do. The difference is weapons primary use is to fire a projectile. The use of sleeping pills is medical. And you do need a prescription for them.

We see: Speaking of rifles it isn't abuse. It's intended purpose.

You see, Americans love freedom -- and when freedom has been surrendered in the past it has always been as a wrong solution to some other problem.
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Having a gun at home seems more like a restraint to me than freedom.
Taking guns away from people is the wrong solution to the problem of violence. If the cause of violence is not addressed -- and according to what you say, you don't appear to be interested in the causes of violence or to be taking action to find and address those causes -- then the only way to keep people from acting out on those unresolved violent tendencies will be to completely enslave them. Trying to solve a problem without knowing the cause of the problem always ends in disaster.
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Weapons are not the solution to this cause, but a big part of the problem. The pure availability of them creates much more danger than would exist without. Their purpose is to multiple force in the end. And they do.

Then there is also the issue of out-of-control governments. Most persons who advocate gun control have total faith in their government. Something like another national dictatorial tyrant could never arise, they argue, therefore there is no reason for the populace to maintain its ability to defend itself. Americans tend to disagree with that. Here in the US we're probably pretty close to immune to most threats of that nature.
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It looks converse if we look at past events. The only defense from it would be political dispute which involves the general public itself and as long as people rather watch and trust populist fox news than reading some books and question what the governement decides these rifles are pretty worthless.

Again, you miss the point. The sole significance of this point is that making something illegal does not prevent people from getting it. Making guns illegal will ensure that only criminals have guns. Any suggestion that criminals won't have guns is wishful thinking that has no basis in history.
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Didn't say that they don't. But does pointing another trigger at him enhance your surviving rate? Nope, now he has a very good reason to kill you. But like I said the seperation in good people and criminals, good and bad, white and black is very outdated and actually part of the NRA propaganda. It's more like: Oh damn, my wife has cheated me, but I got a rifle at home, lets kill this bastard. It's wiser not having a gun at home under circumstances like this. Everyone is a murderer somewhere.

It appears that the extent of your argument is that Europe has a lower violence rate and Europe has fewer guns, therefore guns cause violence.
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I didn't say that. But they are tend to make a disaster out of comperatively few.

Also, once violence is addressed and resolved, guns will no longer be an issue.
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Violence is human. We are animals. There is nothing much to solve around that, so we must prevent.

it is only going to leave honest men and women defenseless against it.
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That's true. But well, arms allow them to proceed their violence in a more dangerous way for everyone else.
True. Wouldn't you want to be able to defend yourself against that?
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Fire and fire till everything burns? In reality, this would be mostly dangerous, stupid and not very good for one's health.
 
jpp said:
So the same gun owners here who claim they need guns to defend themselves against government oppression also take mortal offense when someone here, Muroshi, actually ventures to criticize American domestic or foreign policy. So you hate government, but you love everything government does. Odd.

Meanwhile, there's no power the current president doesn't claim for himself, including the right to ignore laws he doesn't like, bomb any country he doesn't like, and subject you, your mother and your child to "enhanced interrogation techniques" for as long as he pleases, without charges or access to the courts, and then "disappear" the body without telling anyone.

Has all this gotten you into the street with your guns? Not exactly.

So the question is, what WOULD the American government have to do to get you really mad?

But of course we know the answer to that. It would have to try to take your gun away. That, or maybe universal health care. Then the streets would run with rivers of blood.
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Perfect. So true.
 
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