CF 16Gb Sony 300x

[Marcin Brauer]

Back to the point

Back to the point

So, is RED One performing a speed test during media mounting and based on that activate's or not the 2K limit? Or does it have a "whitelist" of approved media in the firmware?

Additionally, will SATA II storage device work when connected in place of CF module (like this RADI 0 new SSD drive)?

Could someone from RED answer that please?

Thanks in advance,
Marcin

 

[Dylan Macleod CSC]

Jim's post kinda says it all. Why would they do R&D on competitors products to see if they will work or not?

They have a perfectly functioning product.

If you want to use third party cards - do the research yourself.

I am not knocking the competition - just curious why people are expecting RED to research other people's products?

 

[Marcin Brauer]

Dylan,

I have reasked the same questoion that on the first page Jay A. Kelley did. If Jim's post would answer it clearly nobody would continiue on asking. With all due respect, RED was investigating all avaiable media on market before, so yes it is kind of suprising that they would stop out of sudden.

Please, let's don't go off topic now with clearing what, who meant. Let's just wait for an answer from the source.

Thanks.

 

[Paul Leeming]

Jim's post kinda says it all. Why would they do R&D on competitors products to see if they will work or not?

They have a perfectly functioning product.

If you want to use third party cards - do the research yourself.

I am not knocking the competition - just curious why people are expecting RED to research other people's products?

It's that one CAN'T do the research, because currently it appears that no matter how fast the device you hook up to the Red, it limits you to 2K resolutions only (using a lookup table it would seem, based on my tests). I have a device that I want to speed test on Red which can easily push through a sustained 200MB/s on writing (and more on reading) and yet the camera won't let me select the maximum settings to test it.

I can understand the need to protect Red's reputation against people throwing any old CF card etc in there and then having it drop frames on a paying job or worse, but with SSDs, CF cards and other devices now regularly exceeding Red One's stated throughput specs (and probably future cameras like Epic and Scarlet too) I think it's time for Red to let us at least have the option to independently verify our own storage and use it, especially when Red's offerings are still backordered for a lot of people.

HTH

Paul

 

[Cécile Roland]

Most cards aren't fast enough for 4k. There are a few that are now, but we can't keep track of them since the industry changes so quickly. The camera will tell you if the card is fast enough or not by limiting the frame rate options if the card is too slow.

All we know for sure is that ours work.

Jim

Please Jim, tell us, what is "fast enough"? Why can't we get the spec of the Red CF (I'm thinking about the speed)?

thank you

 

[Shawn Nelson]

we really need someone from Red to tell us whether Red is doing a speed check like Jim suggests or is comparing against a known list of hard coded values.

Namely: Is it even possible for us to go find CF that's fast enough?

 

[Deanan]

we really need someone from Red to tell us whether Red is doing a speed check like Jim suggests or is comparing against a known list of hard coded values.

Namely: Is it even possible for us to go find CF that's fast enough?

Speed is only a piece of the puzzle. It takes months to qualify a card and while a card may appear to be fast enough, there are guaranteed to be issues on many levels (ie. how the card deals with certain write patterns, caching, etc) where we either need to tweak the camera firmware or the card/drive firmware. I wish it were as easy as doing a speed test because we would have shipped 16GB cards about 4 months before we did.

 

[Shawn Nelson]

Speed is only a piece of the puzzle. It takes months to qualify a card and while a card may appear to be fast enough, there are guaranteed to be issues on many levels (ie. how the card deals with certain write patterns, caching, etc) where we either need to tweak the camera firmware or the card/drive firmware. I wish it were as easy as doing a speed test because we would have shipped 16GB cards about 4 months before we did.

Thanks Deanan for joining! I'm still confused, so when Jim says

The camera will tell you if the card is fast enough or not by limiting the frame rate options if the card is too slow.

do you mean it will reject all cards except the two Red ones as 'too slow'? Jim's message seems to indicate that the camera will do whatever tests you are referring to on the fly and would allow any and all rates that the cards are capable of.

But, if you're saying that you guys have to vet the cards prior to 'allowing them', are you still checking out new ones? It doesn't seem you'd want to allow a $220 16gb Lexar/SanDisk/etc until you've got ROI+ on your custom 16gb

 

[Deanan]

But, if you're saying that you guys have to vet the cards prior to 'allowing them', are you still checking out new ones? It doesn't seem you'd want to allow a $220 16gb Lexar/SanDisk/etc until you've got ROI+ on your custom 16gb

Yeah, we continue test ever new card we get our hands on and we're constantly looking for better media options. Our 16GB card exists because we needed fill that need and couldn't wait anymore. It wasn't because we wanted to get into the card business.