Censorship on RedUser??!!

[Jason Ing]

I guess I should have thought this one through before posting. It's not like anything is going to happen or come out of this. :smile:

:beatdeadhorse5:

 

[Martin Weiss]

This topic pops up every now and then, and tends to circle around the same arguments over and again.

I'll just post some messages from a previous thread:

Well, this is reduser, and not canonuser. There are plenty of fora that discuss news regarding their cameras. Here we discuss things of interest specifically to users of REDs products, and accessoires to them.

While I'm sure that there are plenty of current and future RED camera owners that also own a 5D, I would expect them to keep up to date on an appropiate forum. I furthermore believe there are more iPhone owners on reduser than there are 5D owners, I would delete a thread announcing a new firmware.

Somewhere a line has to be drawn.

Before you guys draw too many conclusions: none of the moderators on this board are employees of RED, nor are we getting paid (except for 3 free t-shirts) and we are definately not policy makers.

I don't know who deleted your thread, but I can ensure you that it was not censorship.

Censorship is entirely the wrong word and concept to apply here. The point is, this is REDUSER.net. There is an Other Cameras forum, hosted over at DVXUSER, which is linked to here. Other camera discussion topics go there. Pretty simple.

Discussions of the 5D, 7D, whatever are acceptable, but only if the discussion itself is relevant to the RED One, RED or other RED products.

It's not about snobbery or restricting the flow of information or censorship. it's about the scope of these forums. This is RED's house. Do you go over to PanasonicUser.net and announce that RED just released Build 30 beta? Yeah...

FWIW, I didn't delete the thread either. I've seen several threads pop up about the 5D firmware update... Big friggin' deal... I can't seem to get exited over it, since it was something that was semi-officially announced over six months ago. Oooh, yay, it's finally here... almost. Sorry, for that, I got carried away. I just spent all day shooting on a 5D2 and I'm not feeling the mojo here. IMO, the HVX200 w/ 35mm adapter produces nicer images, but I digress...

The sheer volume of Canon related posts, links to videos and the tiresome repetitive comparison arguments reached a level that was both annoying and inappropriate for this site. Reasonable discourse should certainly be welcome, but it seemed Reduser was attracting too many Canon fans for the wrong reasons.

I like Canon and own Canon products, but I am here because I am interested in a product that is radically different than anything they offer.

Every single one of these internet forums is privately owned. We occupy space in them at the discretion of the site owners. All site owners spend a lot of time and energy maintaining the integrity of their sites.

In exchange for this, I believe that we owe them respect, decency - dare I even say gratitude...for creating excellent FREE educational tools.

It is a small price to pay for us to respect their decisions in terms of the content that they wish to promote.

We are all free, at any time, to start and promote our own forums, based on whatever principles we prefer.

The beauty of the web is that no one can really CENSOR anyone. Bandwidth is cheap. There are plenty of places to have all the conversation and chatter that one can imbibe in any single day. Reduser has no obligation to be all things to all users - and with the abundance of other general information sites out there - they don't need to be.

The use of the word censorship in this context always baffles me. We are a privately owned website. It is impossible for us to censor anyone. We don't control the internet. Just this space on it that we pay for and offer up to the community and choose to run in a particular way.

I dunno if says so in the statutes yet, but here's a couple of polite pointers from Jim:

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=554720&postcount=5

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=557011&postcount=4

http://reduser.net/forum/showpost.php?p=557063&postcount=11

I have focused on Jims posts, but the whole threads are still there, burried and undeleted.

I read these as a polite way to explain that RedUser is not the place for these discussions.

We're in Jarreds house and Jim's the king... -

Some will perhaps remember me getting pissed over censorship 2-3 years ago. In my defence, I still think the themes being closed down then were very Red-centric and relevant, and I'd still like to have seen them back then.

But... houserules are houserules.
You either obey or you go...

I cannot see one single post where RED says anything undocumented and bad about the DSLRs, even though you'll have a hard time finding posts from the officials pointing out their stronger sides.

That's only natural. RED is a business.

You - as well as I - know from what have been posted over the DSLRs that these threads don't die. They become noisy, insulting and exaggerated.
The S/N ratio is not very cool IMHO

That said. I appreciated your post. I hadn't heard any stated timeframe on your subject before.
But that might be because I shoot on R1 and not on a 5D...

The relevance is minimal to me...

Cheers!

G

Time to move on

 

[Erik Franzén]

This thread need more lulz!

(P.S stop taking these things so seriously guys...if there was REAL censorship here, I promise you - it would be more than obvious!).

 

[Roberto Lequeux]

Every single one of these internet forums is privately owned. We occupy space in them at the discretion of the site owners. All site owners spend a lot of time and energy maintaining the integrity of their sites.

In exchange for this, I believe that we owe them respect, decency - dare I even say gratitude...for creating excellent FREE educational tools.

It is a small price to pay for us to respect their decisions in terms of the content that they wish to promote.

We are all free, at any time, to start and promote our own forums, based on whatever principles we prefer.

The beauty of the web is that no one can really CENSOR anyone. Bandwidth is cheap. There are plenty of places to have all the conversation and chatter that one can imbibe in any single day. Reduser has no obligation to be all things to all users - and with the abundance of other general information sites out there - they don't need to be.

Meryem always makes great points.

 

[Martin Weiss]

P.S: DVXuser uses a seperate database and has different mods, so we cannot "simply" move threads between those sites.

 

[Jannard]

Pretty easy stuff to understand. Want to post anything about the dslrs? Do it at DVXuser. No one has been banned for ignoring this simple request.

Jim

 

[Sterling Wescott]

Pretty easy stuff to understand. Want to post anything about the dslrs? Do it at DVXuser. No one has been banned for ignoring this simple request.

Jim

Thank you! now this thread can die and "off topic" can again be for ERRORZ.

 

[J Davis]

P.S: DVXuser uses a seperate database and has different mods, so we cannot "simply" move threads between those sites.

Thanks for explaining. If it can't be moved then so be it. Deleting them is better than letting arguments foster.

Actually here is an idea. What about just closing the threads by using the words

CARRY THIS CONVERSATION TO DVXUSER AS IT DOES NOT PERTAIN TO RED PRODUCTS

then leave a link to dvxuser in the last post.

 

[Roberto Lequeux]

Thanks for explaining. If it can't be moved then so be it. Deleting them is better than letting arguments foster.

Actually here is an idea. What about just closing the threads by using the words

CARRY THIS CONVERSATION TO DVXUSER AS IT DOES NOT PERTAIN TO RED PRODUCTS

then leave a link to dvxuser in the last post.

This sounds good. Or a link to the proper DVX section. Such as: DSLRs in Motion.

 

[Jason Ing]

Pretty easy stuff to understand. Want to post anything about the dslrs? Do it at DVXuser. No one has been banned for ignoring this simple request.

Jim

Ah, I didn't know that was the request. No problem then. :emote_hippie:

 

[Erik Bien]

Heavy-handed censer ...

 

[Grinner Hester]

I was once banned on this forum not because of any post I made here, but because I was banned on dvxuser for posting a joke.
That should tell ya how objective some of the powers that be are.

 

[Alex Coelho]

Pretty easy stuff to understand. Want to post anything about the dslrs? Do it at DVXuser. No one has been banned for ignoring this simple request.

Jim

We follow your example. :confused5:

http://http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=41220

 

[Jannard]

We follow your example. :confused5:

http://http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=41220

We found ourselves having to respond to the mountains of misinformation that was being posted about the DSLRs. We agree to stop posting when people here heed our desire to move the DSLR discussions to DVXuser (or somewhere else).

This is a RED information site. It is not a political or religious site. It is not a still camera or Panasonic site. There are plenty of places to go to chat about such stuff. We have asked nicely and hope that posters will comply so we can stop wasting our time deleting threads/posts and spend more time serving our customers with hints, tips and info about RED cameras.

There aren't many companies that dedicate as much time on a board as RED does. We just want to reduce the noise level so we can spend our time here in a productive way... again, pretty easy stuff.

Jim