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Canon is Panicking!!

Too little to late again- they waited soo many years after the DVX100 came out to finally put 24p into their XL series cameras. I think this is more of the same, by the time they get out a DSLR sensored camera with 1080p, RED will already have a far superior 3K and up system in place, probably for less money too. FAIL.

Noah
 
Thank God for red, it is forcing every other company to step up their game. However I don't think anyone can keep up!
 
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Isaac Testerman said:
Thank God for red, it is forcing every other company to step up their game. However I don't think anyone can keep up!
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Yup, i think Red wins both ways, making a market for itself and forcing others to stop terrorizing the film/video community by skimping on features and spending lots of $$
 
Are they going to use the same skipping pixels downsample to "1080p"? That would get it laughed out of the park for any kind of broadcast use. And is it going to measure 1440 lines across instead of the "full" 1920 because, again, the downsampling sucks? Are Canon committed to putting in the processing power to do this properly, or are they going to just hack it together in a vain attempt to sell a pup onto unsuspecting customers? What's the betting it does 1080i60 not 1080p60 too. And MPEG4 - that's a distribution codec surely, not an editing one. 8bit 4:2:0. Yeah... I'm laughing my pants off waiting on this one.

Albert
 
Isaac Testerman said:
Thank God for red, it is forcing every other company to step up their game. However I don't think anyone can keep up!
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You guys interpret a bit too much into RED. I can't see a single RED product that would push Canon currently. They seem more chased by Nikon and Panasonic.
 
The unprecedented success of RED 1 is pushing them all. I like the idea of the new Canon project not because I would prefer it to Scarlet, but because they might make some new moderately priced cine zoom lenses to go with it. We could use those too.
 
Yannick Hagman said:
The RED ONE is a $45'000 cam..
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No it's not, it's been established time and again in the past that you can get a system up and running for as little as $23,000 and, for some who already have appropriate equipment, even as little as $19,000.

Now, the idea of Canon doing this isn't a new idea. People speculated about this for a while. This rumor could just be another expression of that. Even if Canon did this, the whole point is to make the best camera possible and slapping the 1080p CMOS of the 5D Mark II into an XLH1 body with all the manual controls and 24p people have been screaming for isn't necessarily going to make a winner, especially at XLH1 prices.

If Canon was serious about this, they would release this camera along with a firmware upgrade for the 5D Mark II that gives us everything we've been asking for and leave it at that. They could still have the XHA1 and XHG1 as their CCD cameras for certain applications and, ultimately, the filmmaker and Canon will win.
 
Nope, Nikon baby!:wink:

But yeah, notice I said "up and running", I said nothing about "full featured". A $600-ish Nikon 18-200mm DX zoom with the Long Valley Equipment Nikon mount modification for $300 or maybe, as Sanjin found out, the manual Tamron 28-300 3.5 zoom would be the starter lens for such a barebones system.
 
Yannick Hagman said:
You guys interpret a bit too much into RED. I can't see a single RED product that would push Canon currently. They seem more chased by Nikon and Panasonic.
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Yeah, I understand what you're saying... however, I'm a long-time Canon customer who was literally a click away from purchasing the new Mark II for it's 1080p video capabilities, and Canon lost that sale based simply on the "idea" of the Red's upcoming Scarlet... I just couldn't get it out of my head that I was making a mistake investing in the new Canon gear instead of just waiting.

Canon solidified that lost sale as soon as I realized just how much they had purposefully crippled the Mark II's video capabilities. As far as I'm concerned, Canon showed their true colors (unbridled Corporate greed, that is) by releasing that poor excuse of "new technology" to their loyal and unsuspecting customers.

The RED Company is "pushing" everyone... as far as I'm concerned. I honestly and objectively believe that the day RED releases the long-awaited Scarlet, they will no longer be considered the "future" of the Industry... and they will instantly become a major part of the "present" state of the Industry (or at least much more so than they already are).

Oh, and that's not even considering their lenses. If those live up to even a fraction of the talk... well, then forget it. At that point RED just becomes the Industry.

Cheers,

Jay Johnson
Misfit Pictures, Inc.
 
Jay Johnson said:
Yeah, I understand what you're saying... however, I'm a long-time Canon customer who was literally a click away from purchasing the new Mark II for it's 1080p video capabilities, and Canon lost that sale based simply on the "idea" of the Red's upcoming Scarlet... I just couldn't get it out of my head that I was making a mistake investing in the new Canon gear instead of just waiting.

Canon solidified that lost sale as soon as I realized just how much they had purposefully crippled the Mark II's video capabilities. As far as I'm concerned, Canon showed their true colors (unbridled Corporate greed, that is) by releasing that poor excuse of "new technology" to their loyal and unsuspecting customers.

The RED Company is "pushing" everyone... as far as I'm concerned. I honestly and objectively believe that the day RED releases the long-awaited Scarlet, they will no longer be considered the "future" of the Industry... and they will instantly become a major part of the "present" state of the Industry (or at least much more so than they already are).

Oh, and that's not even considering their lenses. If those live up to even a fraction of the talk... well, then forget it. At that point RED just becomes the Industry.

Cheers,

Jay Johnson
Misfit Pictures, Inc.
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They play capitalism and think that they can sell more $8k ENG cameras than Mark IIs. And I assume with a rather exclusive $3k still camera used by photo-pros this formula still applies for them. I wouldn't be surprised if they integrated a few steps ahead to react on worst case scenarios though.

Bad for the costumer. But imagine RED in their shoes and you have the same thing. Revolutions are cool as long as they are small. CHE knows.
 
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