Canon EOS 5D Mark II: 21MP and HD movies

[Andrew M.]

I would imagine that it is a crop and not a whole sensor. Can't wait to see what red brings to the table .
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This is the question of the day.
If it is full sensor than woooowww!
All these wide angle shots will be really wide angle.
Can anyone confirm?

Locking it only to one format and speed (30p) would indicate that they have dedicated hardware for creating H.264 QT files and these may indicate the full frame capture and downresing.

Can anyone confirm this?
If it is full frame HD 1080p this will be revolution in resolution again!

Andrew

 

[Graeme Nattress]

30p will convert to 24p, but not easily. You have to go the full motion adaptive route, with all it's foibles and lack of speed. For a single shot, it's not bad, but for a whole show.... Render hell.

The sample movies I've seen so far are curiously locked off on a tripod, and very over-sharpened.

Judging from the image skew on the live view of the 1DmkIII, I'd not hold out much hope their either.... Someone needs to point one at a zone plate so we can see what they're doing with downsampling and aliasing....

Graeme

 

[fde101]

Would over-sharpened images suggest using a large portion of the sensor and scaling down?

 

[Will Griffith]

Hmmm...HDMI Out

Hmmm...HDMI Out

MAYBE this would make a great effects camera using an Intensity
and capturing 10bit UC or ProRes? Wonder what it looks like before
H.264...


...and you don't need a Birger!

 

[Larry Gebhardt]

I'm almost as excited about the new Canon 24mm f1.4 Mark II lens that was also just announced. If the new one is sharp across the whole frame, wow! On the new full frame Canon 5D MKII...probably amazing images...super wide, extreme low light.

 

[Chosei Funahara]

:clown2: http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/5dmark2/index.html

 

[M.Halsell]

Video Acquisition

As wobbly as the new solutions from Canon and Nikon seem to be, the technology is being pushed. Which means someone (manufacturer or user) will take the time and effort to exploit and push the technology.

As technologies become more commodity, the execution will become proprietary. As we know RED has a good angle on the technology. But with RED there seems to be a disconnect with the marketing effort. The product announcements are followed with very extended periods of development -- Which is then followed with a lengthy delivery period.

To the benefit of Canon and Nikon, they understand the mojo between product announcement, marketing and availability. Feeds the Buzz.

Can at least 1 or 2 gaffer taped Scarlets, Epics be floated around to start capturing some buzz worthy shots? Just to let everyone know that RED is still the team to beat!

 

[Sarah C.]

30p will convert to 24p, but not easily. You have to go the full motion adaptive route, with all it's foibles and lack of speed. For a single shot, it's not bad, but for a whole show.... Render hell.

I'm willing to rent a Canon 5D Mark II and put its video thru an AJA Kona 3. It would handle the conversion in real time, no rendering involved. I have read about Compressor being nimble in this endeavor also, but it would require rendering. All this is not to say that Red could come up with a slick pro DSMC.. I'm all for it!

~Sarah

 

[Graeme Nattress]

Compressor is far from nimble! And K3 does not do motion adaptive frame rate conversion. Indeed, it does not do frame rate conversion, but it will add 3:2 pulldown to 24p footage.

Graeme

 

[Andrew M.]

Now way its a crop. The sensor is something like 5500 pixels across. A 1920 crop would produce a >2x focal length multiplier which doesn't match the wide and fisheye sample footage. Plus, using the whole sensor isn't hard to implement, why bother going the crop route?

Yes, but to do downres nice and with good quality it takes a lot of CPU power.
Maybe it is just a kids play feature for now.

 

[fde101]

Shake does the adaptive frame rate conversion as well, I believe...

 

[Sarah C.]

Shake does the adaptive frame rate conversion as well, I believe...

I'm actually not worried 30P vs 24P in the least.. I can get it done in some fashion. Truth is I'd only use a DSMC for fun or low/no budget stuff. If I have a client involved I'll be going with a crew and pro-grade video camera.

Why? MPEG4 video files???? OMG. That's what my 3 yr-old pocket-sized point-and-shoot camera uses. Pro work should not see such compression until it is delivered to say.. iPods.

~Sarah

 

[Evin Grant]

I'm actually not worried 30P vs 24P in the least.. I can get it done in some fashion. Truth is I'd only use a DSMC for fun or low/no budget stuff. If I have a client involved I'll be going with a crew and pro-grade video camera.

Why? MPEG4 video files???? OMG. That's what my 3 yr-old pocket-sized point-and-shoot camera uses.

~Sarah

Why? Because at hart this is still a consumer camera, and video, 1080P or not is still an after thought. It doesn't even have it's own mode, it's just a piggyback off the live view system. Video in DSLRs is a long way from a pro implementation. The 30P issue is huge BTW. Despite the skew and 720P the D90 will be a much better choice for making fun little shorts than the 5DmII. For price reasons too. This upgrade is pretty disappointing in my opinion. Canon had an opportunity to make a real mid level pro camera and instead they decided to just add more MP. There is very little difference in actual resolution between 12 and 21MPs at this point. Larger sensors and better glass are what's needed to really get to the next level of IQ. Hopefully the new Nikon MX format will deliver this.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

More Canon EOS 5D Mark II HD movies you can find here (official Japanese promo site):

LINK>>>

 

[Andrew M.]

Yes, this is really low temporal res and high compression.
Kind of iPhone feature, but good start for Canon.

 

[Ocean Zen]

Does anyone knowif the Euro version will have 25p?

 

[Paris Remillard]

I do like the fact that it's making the Vistavision/full-frame stills format a viable option for a MP format. Epic? .....Jim?

 

[RobertP]

To tweak the look of the video on the 5DII, the in-camera JPEG settings need to be adjusted before recording, since they have everything to do with how the video will end up looking.

The in-camera JPEG settings apply to JPEGs processed by the camera as well as the final look of the video captured, but do not apply to RAW still files that are processed with non-Canon, third party RAW converters.

So I suppose, if you don't want the sharp look, I'd turn the "sharpness" setting down to zero, adjust the "contrast" and tune the "saturation" settings, and you might have a better looking result than the videos posted by Canon.

One last thing:
It's entirely possible that Canon will release a firmware update for 24P, as 30P seems to be a bit of a disappointment. If this happens, the camera will be more "complete" IMO, even though it's not meant to be a serious filmmaking tool.

 

[Joseph Ward]

I do like the fact that it's making the Vistavision/full-frame stills format a viable option for a MP format. Epic? .....Jim?

That would be Epic if Epic is Vistavision or bigger!:w00t:

 

[Red47]

True, but what I'm trying to say is that Canon (and nikon) is still launching cameras (EOS 5D Mark II) that are aimed at photographers. It is clear that the hd video is just a bonus, whilst the camera is still aimed at photographers.

exactly right. a lot of people have been complaining about the video features on these D-slrs but the truth is the video feature is a BONUS. the cameras are marketed for photographers. the only really practical use for the video function on these cameras is photojournalism. in which case this feature is quite useful. it gives photojournalists the option to use video if needed without having to carry an extra camera. which btw is very useful because more than one camera can be heavy not to mention bulky to carry.