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Can RED ONE do Infrared?

Can the Infra shoot into a fog and pick out a human or animal that is otherwise unseen by the naked eye? If so, would I be able to tell what kind of animal or recognize the human?
 
Mark Phelan said:
I did a test a few days ago to see what I'd get with a standard configuration RED camera. Mysterium sensor, nothing special, just point and shoot, this is what I got: http://web.me.com/phelanx/rough/ir.html

The MX would do a better job I presume with it being more sensitive. ...
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Looks good, although the MX extra sensitivity might be offset by it's better IR filtering!
 
Tom Lowe said:
I am currently shooting with Red's "Infra" camera right now in Louisiana. It's a lot of fun shooting on this format.
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Damn Tom, you're getting to play with some fun equipment in the US! :drool:
 
Jarred Land said:
We have a dedicated camera at RED converted to IR available for shoots for testing... If you want to Rent it for a shoot, we can make it available through a rental house... or of course you can have your camera modified.
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Will it be possible to buy an IR modified Scarlet 8X fixed?

Tom Lowe said:
I am currently shooting with Red's "Infra" camera right now in Louisiana. It's a lot of fun shooting on this format.
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I can't wait to see what you shoot :)
 
Tom, are you shooting with or without an visible light cutoff fllter?
 
Mark Phelan said:
That's a very good point. Wonder if RED's Infra camera is Mysterium or MX?
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Tom's picture doesn't show "Mysterium X" engraved on the CF side module - so I'd guess it's not M-X. But with the internal sensor IR filter removed, it'll be picking up all the Infra Red available.
 
Deanan said:
Tom, are you shooting with or without an visible light cutoff fllter?
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I'm shooting with no filters on. Should I have one? I am trying to match the look of the deep B&W conversion from lifepixel on my 5D2 for timelapse.

Jesus, I am looking through the footage I shot today... HOLY SH#T... it's just beautiful. Any type of vegetation just pops. I was shooting this hanging Spanish moss on cypress trees today, and it's incredibly beautiful at 40fps 3K with the 8mm Ultra Prime.

The sensor is Mysterium.
 
Tom Lowe said:
I'm shooting with no filters on. Should I have one? I am trying to match the look of the deep B&W conversion from lifepixel on my 5D2 for timelapse.

Jesus, I am looking through the footage I shot today... HOLY SH#T... it's just beautiful. Any type of vegetation just pops. I was shooting this hanging Spanish moss on cypress trees today, and it's incredibly beautiful at 40fps 3K with the 8mm Ultra Prime.

The sensor is Mysterium.
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It would be interesting to see if you would achieve even more stunning results with a filter on, i.e. mo' better. Or I wonder if it would just make your exposure tougher since you're getting good results now?

Would love to see an example of what you're getting. How about posting a still if you can?
 
I'm shooting this footage for Godfrey Reggio's new film, so I can't post it, unfortunately.
 
Tom Lowe said:
I'm shooting with no filters on. Should I have one? I am trying to match the look of the deep B&W conversion from lifepixel on my 5D2 for timelapse.

Jesus, I am looking through the footage I shot today... HOLY SH#T... it's just beautiful. Any type of vegetation just pops. I was shooting this hanging Spanish moss on cypress trees today, and it's incredibly beautiful at 40fps 3K with the 8mm Ultra Prime.

The sensor is Mysterium.
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You don't have to use any filters, but if you use an Infra Red pass filter (but which cuts visible light spectrum) such as the one mentioned by Allstar above, then the image you get will just be formed by Infra Red light with no visible light contribution. In the right circumstances, this will make your IR photography "pop" even more!

In the "old days", such a filter would have made focusing and exposure a bit of a challenge because your optical viewfinder would have been black, but with electronic WYSIWYG displays, you're good to go. :smile:
 
Where can I get one of these IR pass filters? My mattebox can handle 6x6 or 4x5.6.
 
Tom Lowe said:
Where can I get one of these IR pass filters? My mattebox can handle 6x6 or 4x5.6.
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I use this: http://www.maxmax.com/aXNiteFilters.htm for Photography, have not looked for 6x6 or 4x5's.

From my buddy over at LLS
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I think most IR pass/visible light block filters are made for stills photography, so there are quite a lot of screw in ones up to about 77mm diameter.

Cokin filters Z-Pro series size is 100x100mm (ie almost 4x4") available in US from:
http://www.2filter.com/cokin/cokinzpro.html#5698
Number 7 filter down is the Infrared (89B) 100mm x 100mm
As it's slightly smaller than motion camera filters, and probably a bit thinner too, it may not stay securely in mattebox filter trays, but you could always tape it in with some electricians tape (easier to remove than gaffer).

but Ketch's link looks good if a 77mm or 82mm diameter round filter will cover your lens front.
 
Kodak wratten gels 88A, 87, 87A, 87B, 87C, 89B are good ones to start with. The stills filter companies have a couple different ones.

Each has a different cutoff. 89B starts pretty early in deep red so you get more sensitivity. Many normal NDs can also work as IR pass filters. I used to use unexposed (and processed ) sections of E6 film as an IR pass. It's convenient for covering up light sources like flashes.

There's a few charts here:
http://photo.net/learn/optics/edscott/ir000020.htm
 
Using a Wratten 87 on a R1M and a side-by-side mirror box rig - still from a work in progress, "The Book of Wisdom and Lies". Shot in the Republic of Georgia, August 2009.

In our experience, the Red 1 make excellent infrared images with some care. We're strongly considering, however, asking the good folks at Red if they would remove the IR-cut filter on our R1 once the Epics ship.
 

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Tom, you're working with Godfrey Reggio??? You are one lucky dude!
Congratulations. He is a true artist. I'm sure you will give him some great footage, based on your stuff that I have seen. Have fun!
Cheers,
Harry
 
Guys, I would really like to get an additional filter for this camera, if you are saying the IR effect will pop even more. Can anyone tell me where I can get an IR pass filter in 6x6 or 4x5.6 in a HURRY? I only have 3 more days of filming.

The looking I am going after is "Deep Black & White", like this sample photo from LifePixel:

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Thanks so much!
 
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