Can i shoot Anamorphic and frame for 16:9? Please Help

[Larkin Seiple]

Hello,

Kind of a weird question. I have a shoot this weekend that was planned for anamorphic. However in the middle of the prep I was told that the client want's 16x9. Is it possible to shoot anamorphic aspect ratio and create a custom frame line for 16x9. And then once in post crop into 16x9? Would that be too noisy? I know they did this for the music video for "white flag warrior". Im curious if it would be too noisy at 3k? I know 2k anamorphic is way to noise but 3k anamorphic with 16x9 crop might be okay? Were shooting 48fps so 3k would be needed? If anyone else has done this before i would love to know a solution.

Cheers

Larkin

 

[Jordan Livingston]

Does the client really want a 16x9 frame size? Or does the client want the 16x9 Anamorphic frame letterboxed within a 16x9 frame? If the answer is the latter, you are correct to shoot in Anamorphic and then simply letterbox within 16x9 upon delivery. However, I can't see any technical benefit or artistic merit to shooting Anamorphic if the true intention is to just center-crop or pan-and-scan back into 16x9. In that scenario, I think you're better off just shooting 16x9 if what they want is 16x9 without the widescreen image matted within the black bars.

Best,

- Jordan

 

[Dave Edsall]

You can create a custom safety area, set 1.78 as your aspect ratio and then overlay the custom safety over the 1.78, save it and switch the aspect ratio back to 2.40. Then you can shoot 2.40 but protect for 1.78.

 

[Esmaeil Neisi]

why 48 FPS?

 

[David Wyatt]

Hi Larkin, if I understand you correctly I did something similar a while ago to get anamorphic lens characteristics (eventually cropping to a 16:9 aspect ratio for the end format). Noise shouldn't be a problem (especially if you're using MX). I worked out some crop settings for it (PM me if you need them) but in the end the post house dealt with it with no problem (it's worth shooting a frame leader just to make sure though):

http://205.234.135.241/forum/showthread.php?t=34455

 

[Keith Putnam]

Here's a thought:
Create a 16:9 framing chart. Put it on the wall.
Set up your Anamorphic project, put your anamorphic lens on and aim your camera at the chart on the wall.
In your frame guide settings, create a User safety that matches the distorted 16:9 frame you're seeing through the lens. Apply that frame guide.
When you de-anamorphise your image, you should have a 16:9 frame within your 2.35:1 frame.

 

[Cüneyt Kaya]

dont understand what you really want, but maybe the hawk 1.3x is what you are looking for, ANAs covering a 16:9 area instead of 4:3

 

[Steffen Vala]

Here's a thought:
Create a 16:9 framing chart. Put it on the wall.
Set up your Anamorphic project, put your anamorphic lens on and aim your camera at the chart on the wall.
In your frame guide settings, create a User safety that matches the distorted 16:9 frame you're seeing through the lens. Apply that frame guide.
When you de-anamorphise your image, you should have a 16:9 frame within your 2.35:1 frame.

If you are monitoring anamorphic through the R1 (desqueezing what the lens is capturing), the beauty is that there is no distortion, so you don't actually have to do this procedure. Just enable a 16X9 frame leader and you'll have the framing setup no matter which anamorphic lens he's rocking, no? Then, after a desqueeze while transcoding in post (REDCINE-X), in editing he'll just have to overlay another 16X9 guide to match what he was shooting for, ifyouknowwhatImean.

On second thought (light bulb goes on ), I realize now that frame guide on camera will give the letterbox look, which is not necessarily desirable. So shooting a physical chart makes sense to me now.

 

[David Mullen ASC]

The question is unclear. Does he want to deliver both a 2.35 letterboxed image and a 16x9 full-frame master? Is this for theatrical projection as well? Is he asking about extracting a 16x9 image from inside a 2.35 image?

 

[Larkin Seiple]

Basically I had been told that shooting anamorphic was out of the question because the client did not like that aspect ratio. So I was debating shooting anamorphic with a 16x9 frame guide inside the 2.35 frame and extract the 16x9 center cut in post. The reason being the vertical pull to the bokeh and the organic quality it gives to red footage, anamorphic lenses that is.

It was a for a music video and the director likes to move between 24 and 48 fps and I wasn't sure if this process would work well shooting at 3K. I was curious if it would hold up given the much reduced resolution in the vertical resolution.

 

[Larkin Seiple]

"Is he asking about extracting a 16x9 image from inside a 2.35 image?"

Thats exactly it, I'm sure the image is fine for extraction at 4k, but 3K i was curious about. Were shooting MX. Which helps.

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