Camera movement technique?

[Daniel John]

Anyone know what sort of rig they would have used in this video to achieve the camera roll shots? The one at the start looks to be a complete 360 degrees but as the
camera is moving forward too..

https://vimeo.com/245826871

Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated!

Daniel

 

[Matt W.]

Ronin.

 

[Daniel John]

Is the Ronin 2 capable of this? For some reason I didn't think it was but I could be mistaken of course..

 

[Matt W.]

I don't know, I've read conflicting things about the Ronin 2 specifically. It might be a different gimbal (or something fancier than that), but I have seen this achieved well with a Ronin before, I don't know which model.

 

[Björn Benckert]

I would personally not use ronin or anything for such move. Shoot overscan instead zoom in and do the roll in post. Then you get it without the twerks of the camera lens not being dead center etc. And the effect will be just the same. The sharpness loose by cropping in so you can roll is in post is kind of does not matter as you also need to add motion blur so yes, while rolling like that your image is not sharp any how. On Red you need about twice as wide FOV as intended to do such roll.

 

[michael fetner]

It could be the Trinity Steadicam. I see that used a lot for stuff like this. Since they have a lot of Steadicam stuff in this video I'd assume that's what they were using, or something similar

 

[Daniel John]

I don't know, I've read conflicting things about the Ronin 2 specifically. It might be a different gimbal (or something fancier than that), but I have seen this achieved well with a Ronin before, I don't know which model.

Me too. I think maybe some of the smaller Ronin models that are meant for smaller cameras can achieve this but I wasn't sure about the Ronin 2..

I would personally not use ronin or anything for such move. Shoot overscan instead zoom in and do the roll in post. Then you get it without the twerks of the camera lens not being dead center etc. And the effect will be just the same. The sharpness loose by cropping in so you can roll is in post is kind of does not matter as you also need to add motion blur so yes, while rolling like that your image is not sharp any how. On Red you need about twice as wide FOV as intended to do such roll.

Thanks Bjorn. I actually hadn't thought about doing it that way. Unfortunately I'm sort of a what I see in the monitor is all I can envision while shooting sort of person. I don't have the post/FX wizard brain like yourself. But I'll keep this in mind as a possibility!

It could be the Trinity Steadicam. I see that used a lot for stuff like this. Since they have a lot of Steadicam stuff in this video I'd assume that's what they were using, or something similar

Very true. I haven't worked with the Trinity myself but it does seem very capable of movement like this..

 

[John David Pope]

 

[John David Pope]

You could contact the production company, which I found by searching the name of the spot:


http://https://anorakfilm.com/film/female-x-dicks-sporting-goods-x-under-armour-x-sampa-the-great/

My hunch is that there is no steadicam in that spot at all and all the moving shots are Ronin. Once in a while you can see the robotic-like corrections that give away gimbal from Steadi. Trinity is less likely to have those gimbal-like corrections / hard stops.


EDIT: Apparently I was dead wrong, it is Steadicam, and the Operator was Dustin Heindl.

The DP was Kate Arizmendi, who lensed the film “Swallow”. The Director Georgia Hudson. Her Instagram page lists the crew.

Apparently I am dreadful at distinguishing Ronin from Steadi. Although, it could be that, while there was Steadicam there was also a Ronin employed. But, yes, Ronin can perform rolls.