Calling Epson...

[Tim Whitcomb]

Is there a Red Reel available in 4k??

LOL.

 

[Elmer Tenkink]

Forgive me for my English..not to spoil all the fun but isn' t this epson 4k lcd instead of dlp? More lumen but less contrast ratio. How about the colors?
BTW Philips has a watermark system that detects where a film (location time etc.) has been copied by any means (but it may be to expensive for the distributions company's). I used to be a operator at a movie theater. For the digital films a hard drive went sent by a courier and a limited key (by time and date) went sent by mail or usb stick.
I am not a red owners jet but i really wish to jump on that wagon as fast as it is possible for me.. Red does amazing stuff ...red ray 4k at 10 mb/sec AMAZING

 

[Scott Brown]

I seem to recall that there was some speculation in the past that RED would/could bring to market a 4K projector at a RED price point...sweet spot is circa $10-15K. I think there could be several thousand of us RED owners ready to buy at this price point.

Now if you can build a 4K camera from scratch, how difficult can a 4K projector be...Jim, we know you are well up for a challenge :biggrin:

Scott

 

[Blair S. Paulsen]

Seen in the wild?

Seen in the wild?

Anybody heard anything on the actual shipping of production run Epson 4K projectors?

Cheers - #19

 

[Michael Bravin]

They don't have the "everything is subject to change" do they? If so, it may be a 5K surprise when it comes out. :emote_popcorn:

hangin with Sanjin again eh? :sifone:

 

[Daniel Valle]

The potential is very exciting here. What I want to see is a robust system (suitable for light commercial installations) for a sub $10K price-point that delivers resolutions of 4K on down and 5.1 or better audio. Then we can see a very real "roadshow" business model develop for indie exhibition that bypasses traditional prints and advertising costs. This is what excites me about the Red Epic & Scarlet and that fantastic force-multiplier of Red Ray landing on the planet at the same time as affordable 4K projection. The opportunities for brick and mortar exhibition centers, mom & pop cinemas, temporary venues that serve a niche cinema audience is mind-boggling. Every town or village could have its own art house cinema or festival space. Then the economics can change for the filmmaker in a fundamental way, giving us regional documentaries, shorts, indie features that garner a share of the very local box office revenue. Imagine going to a Boston sports bar/ cinema for a film festival of 35mm 4K fan films about the Red Sox. The possibilities of expanding the communal cinema-going experience is huge. No longer is the filmmaker tethered to the studio wide-release behemoth as the only viable audience venue. Go Epson!

This has probably been the #1 dream of filmmakers everywhere ever since 1895. (that and cheap film stock)

But something tells me the big boys won't let this go as smoothly as it could.

Though I still think that the number one concern filmmakers should have, from Jim Cameron to an independent Iranian filmmaker should be fighting piracy.

We're not far from the day when most people will have a fast enough internet connection to be able to download an HD movie in 5 seconds.

 

[Chris Clogg]

Though I still think that the number one concern filmmakers should have, from Jim Cameron to an independent Iranian filmmaker should be fighting piracy.

We're not far from the day when most people will have a fast enough internet connection to be able to download an HD movie in 5 seconds.

The "app-store" or itunes method (except for movies) would be perfect to counter this. E.g. offer reliable/great quality (video and audio) and a fast download for couple bucks (10 or more probably).

But then they have to protect the files or use a special player for it or something... and maybe this system already exists... but I haven't tried anything.

 

[Michael Stanmore]

It's so weird to me that so many people were/are up in arms about the whole DRM thing... what do they expect us to do? Just give these products which are brimming with intellectual property to them with no safeguard whatsoever?

I think DRM is a pretty hassle free way to distribute digital media to the end user while at least trying to do something about piracy... Obviously if one is so motivated, there are plenty of ways to remove DRM from a file... but it's still better than just letting people download things with no way of even trying to prevent them from giving it out all over town (or world).

And yet people complain like this is some sort of personal attack on their liberty or something... madness.

 

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

It's so weird to me that so many people were/are up in arms about the whole DRM thing... what do they expect us to do? Just give these products which are brimming with intellectual property to them with no safeguard whatsoever?

I think DRM is a pretty hassle free way to distribute digital media to the end user while at least trying to do something about piracy... Obviously if one is so motivated, there are plenty of ways to remove DRM from a file... but it's still better than just letting people download things with no way of even trying to prevent them from giving it out all over town (or world).

And yet people complain like this is some sort of personal attack on their liberty or something... madness.

I disagree, I am a content creator AND an end user and i loathe drm, I buy everything legit, and still they force me to watch warnings and more warnings and commercials,and the damned dvds/blurays that you pick up in the usa don't work in Europe. For the demanding end user like me DRM is a lot of pain in the b... Remember I PAY, I am the costumer. I hate DRM and it never ever stopped any pirate ever, it just annoys your clients, period!

 

[Mathieu Ghekiere]

I have to agree with Eirik on some leven.

I'm make content too, and I also buy all my movies legit.

But I have to see 4 trailers that act like I am a thief while I just bought the damn product! Meanwhile, the 'thiefs' just rip the movie and don't bother with those trailers. So those trailers only reach the people who buy their stuf legit, and as been said: it's really a major annoyance to have 4 non-skippable trailers before you see a movie. If I look at a dvd from Warner Bros from years ago, it seems so much fun now: put the dvd in, go straight to the main menu.

The trailers aren't the same as DRM though, and I agree that it's a very difficult line to maintain. But as iTunes has proven: you have to make it EASY for your clients. It has to be easier then the pirate-way, and in the movie studios seem to make it harder for people to legit download then to pirate.
Like the 'digital' copys they give with some dvd's and blu-rays now. Great idea, if I want The Dark Knight on my iPhone, I don't have to rip it anymore. But oh wait? You can only access it trough Windows Media Player and you only could use the code one time, and ... ...

Since iTunes went DRM-free I bought 500 tracks on it (versus not one before and before I had difficulties to imagine myself pay for a download) and no, I didn't gave the songs to someone else.

 

[Stephen Gentle]

It's so weird to me that so many people were/are up in arms about the whole DRM thing... what do they expect us to do? Just give these products which are brimming with intellectual property to them with no safeguard whatsoever?

I think DRM is a pretty hassle free way to distribute digital media to the end user while at least trying to do something about piracy... Obviously if one is so motivated, there are plenty of ways to remove DRM from a file... but it's still better than just letting people download things with no way of even trying to prevent them from giving it out all over town (or world).

And yet people complain like this is some sort of personal attack on their liberty or something... madness.

I hate DRM because even theoretically it can't work in any useful way to protect content, so it just adds many hassles to playing back my legally owned content whilst other people can download ripped versions with the same quality and view them as they please.

The point of cryptography is to get something from point A to point B without a third party intercepting it midway. Given that only person A and person B have the key to the content, this works. But DRM tries to get data from point A to point B, but control the way they use it. But the problem is that for the person at point B to see anything, there must be a key stored somewhere on their system, and the way the content is encrypted has to be standardised to have working players. So there will always be a way to get hold of the key, and therefore always be a way of cracking any DRM scheme.

That's just the way things work. And eventually we get to the point like we are now, where I can't watch my legally bought Blu-Ray disk on my projector in full quality because it's too old to support HDCP, but anybody who downloads a ripped copy can. Or the fact that I legally own a movie on DVD, but to put it on my iPod I have to use tools that are illegal in the US (since they circumvent DRM).

So really, since DRM doesn't work conceptually, and the it worsens the experience of viewing content so much, I think it's worthless as technology. If the movie studios wanted to combat piracy, they should try making their product available in a higher quality and more convenient way than illegal downloads, as opposed to just piling it with DRM.

 

[Michael Stanmore]

Is there any way to offer digital downloads of all this stuff at reasonable prices and not have them ripped off immediately?

I suppose that would not be noticeably different than now...

Looks like people who were going to pay for something do... and those who weren't going to pay don't...

I suppose even if you tried to set up as a "streaming only" kind of distribution, the data still has to be sent to the remote (end-user) computer from your servers... if only long enough to be seen on the monitor... and that's enough time for a recorder at that end to record the content for redistribution.

I guess these people just aren't going away.

I agree that DRM is not a great solution... but I'm sure you will all agree that we shouldn't just give up.


Oh and I definitely agree about those wretched piracy trailers on the DVDs... my god those are the most pointless things ever. If it's on the DVD... then that means I bought a legit DVD... so f**k off and let me watch my DVD...go hassle someone at a bittorrent site or something.

 

[Johann V]

I think this pic puts the issues many people have with today's protected media in a nutshell (and that doesn't even address the times something doesn't run at all or messes up your player because of some strange DRM tricks):

In the end, you only punish the people that ARE willing to pay for it, and that's a bad approach... :tongue_smilie:

Jojo

PS & edit: We're at a point where you can't protect media any longer, as sad as it might be. Every protection is crackable, especially with the processing power a typical home computer possesses nowadays. And even analog copies get better eac year with the advancing technology.
So I think the focus should shift to keeping the honest customers who do pay, like e.g. iTunes did when it went to DRMfree distribution.
Otherwise there'll be no customers left at all somewhen.

 

[Jeremy Neish]

I'm also a content creator, and not only do I reject DRM in all forms, I even go so far as to release everything I create under Creative Commons, and then I go even further and post it to various torrent sites myself. Does wonders for sales. I'm a firm believer in obscurity being the true enemy of sales, not piracy. Prime example was our self distributed documentary "Done The Impossible: The Fans' Tale of Firefly & Serenity", to date, we've sold over 35,000 copies. In fact our DVD sales easily quadrupled the day we released on bitorrent.

 

[Paul Leeming]

I'm also a content creator, and not only do I reject DRM in all forms, I even go so far as to release everything I create under Creative Commons, and then I go even further and post it to various torrent sites myself. Does wonders for sales. I'm a firm believer in obscurity being the true enemy of sales, not piracy. Prime example was our self distributed documentary "Done The Impossible: The Fans' Tale of Firefly & Serenity", to date, we've sold over 35,000 copies. In fact our DVD sales easily quadrupled the day we released on bitorrent.

Count me as one of your happy customers! Great documentary!

And in more general terms, I totally agree with most people's stance here on DRM and how horrible it is. Here is something I've put on my movie DVDs in the Special Features section:

Cheers,

Paul

 

[Graeme Nattress]

Paul, you show a lot of respect for your viewers.

Graeme

 

[Peter Osinski]

I think we might be able to combat piracy with something like netflix's instant watch abilities. When watching on an xbox you can get HD quality stuff streamed without any download times, and you don't access to the hard copy disc or digital file.

This does remove the sense of personal ownership over your media but it would go a long way to prevent piracy......or we could always just start printing everything to film again which would make it pretty hard to copy films

 

[Elsie N]

My thinking is that people who buy pirated copies of anything would not have been a customer anyway. Also, I believe most people who "buy pirate" will be mainstream customers as they grow up and grow wealthier. Not in every case, but in some.

 

[Michael Tiemann]

Paul, you show a lot of respect for your viewers.

So much respect that I just bought two of his DVDs, recommended his site to a list of 1,000+ people, and would not be surprised if he has orders for dozens more coming in right now.

And its true that obscurity is the enemy: I had never heard of his movie before, but reading the IMDB summary, I'm eager to see it when it shows up on my doorstep.

Thanks, Paul!

 

[Graeme Nattress]

So much respect that I just bought two of his DVDs, recommended his site to a list of 1,000+ people, and would not be surprised if he has orders for dozens more coming in right now.

And its true that obscurity is the enemy: I had never heard of his movie before, but reading the IMDB summary, I'm eager to see it when it shows up on my doorstep.

Thanks, Paul!

What a good idea! I've just put my money where my mouth is, and ordered the DVDs too!

Graeme