Calling Epson...

[Kevin Olsen]

I keep telling SONY to release sub-10K version of their HD SXRD projectors with 2K DCI spec (2048x1080 instead of 1920x1080). That would be a major hit with posthouses and home studios. I can only imagine what impact would a sub-10K 4K projector had on our industry...
:devil: Peter

Yes, I can see the same effect as well, but will someone please tell their friend at TI to make a 4k DLP chip please? I am hoping for 3-chip 4k DLP to come in and rock the world.

KO

 

[Axel Mertes]

Regarding 4K panels:

JVC has a 4K projector on sale. As I have been told its mostly sold to rich home users, regardless of its still high price. Replacement for the 5th Porsche...

They also have working 8K prototypes. They are well prepared.

And their projectors are widely used in grading suites, so its reference class. And high end home user device class. Most professional companies actually can't afford it, budget wise. That is really amazing.

I told them a couple of times that the price needs to come down to a range, say, like the RED ONE body. Then it would sell like hell...

I wonder what the new 4K DLPs will make with that market.


Just sayin,

Axel

 

[Simon Dunne]

Epson Develops World’s First 4K Compatible HTPS TFT Liquid Crystal Panel for 3LCD Projectors

WEBWIRE – Monday, November 09, 2009

TOKYO, Japan - Seiko Epson Corporation ("Epson", TSE:6724) today announced that it has developed the world’s first* 4K-compatible high-temperature polysilicon (HTPS) TFT liquid crystal panel for 3LCD projectors. Measuring 1.64 inches diagonally, the new panel supports displays with resolutions up to 4096 × 2160 pixels.

Projector applications continue to expand. In addition to being used for business presentations, projectors are gaining wider use in the classroom, in auditoriums and at big events. Meanwhile, demand for high-performance products is expected to grow as more and more households enjoy full HD content via digital broadcasts and high definition video players.
With a resolution of nearly 8.85 megapixels, 4K panels offer four times the resolution of full HD (1920 × 1080), making them ideal for the high resolutions required by special applications such as industrial design, architectural design and simulations, as well as for presentations and projecting four full HD images at the same time.

To meet this market demand, Epson employed the latest process and C2 Fine technologies in the new panels and developed a new, original driving method optimized for 4K resolution to achieve high-resolution projected images with outstanding brightness and contrast.
Epson is committed to supporting the growing range of projector applications by combining its original technologies to expand and enhance its HTPS lineup with panels that further raise the performance of 3LCD projectors.

* Source: Epson research, as of the end of October 2009
Panel features

* High-resolution 4K-compatible
o 1.64": 4K (4096 x 2160 pixels) - the world’s first 4K HTPS panel*
* Includes Epson’s original LCD driver optimized for 4K resolution
* Benefits of using C2 Fine:
1. High contrast
2. Smooth images
3. Jet-black color reproduction

* C2Fine: An original Epson technology for achieving high-quality, vivid images with high contrast by combining an inorganic liquid crystal alignment layer with vertical alignment technology
Panel specification
LCD type C2 Fine (VA inorganic alignment layer)
Process technology D7
Effective pixels 4096 x 2160
Panel size (diagonal) 1.64 inch (4.2 cm)
Pixel pitch 9 µm
Related information

To learn more about the advantages of HTPS panels, visit:
http://www.epson.jp/e/products/device/htps/.

To learn more about 3LCD technology, visit:
http://www.3lcd.com/.New window
Product exhibition

Epson will show ultra-high resolution images including 3D when it exhibits a prototype ultra-high resolution projector using the panel at the International Broadcast Equipment Exhibition (Inter BEE 2009) to be held at Makuhari Messe, Chiba, Japan, from November 18 to 20.

SOURCE: http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=107289

Simon:emote_popcorn:

 

[Paul Leeming]

So Ted, you heading over here again like last year? I'm sure you'll be able to hook up with Epson since it appears they'll be at InterBEE with the panel

I'd better have a chat with them as well about providing some demo footage if they need it

Cheers,

Paul

 

[Felix K.]

Epson could save RED project.

How?

- Because the consumer HD 1080p Video DSLRs with high ISO performance are huge "pressure" to RED1, Epic, Scarlet,...

- Also the professional lower resolution digital acquisition at 3K, 2K and 1080p are all real competition to RED1, Epic, Scarlet,...

Why?

- RED1 is only digital camera that has 4K resolution (about 3.2K after de-bayer process) or Epic 5K acquisition would have a full 4K resolution after de-bayering...

When?

- In the case that EPSON would develop and offer to the market affordable 4K 3LCD projector during next 3-6 months.

- At the next NAB 2010 we could see Epic 4K monitoring on EPSON 4K projector, real-time 4K workflow presentation using RR on many apps with EPSON 4K projection, etc,...

There are so many wrong assumptions that I don't even know where to start...

1. Why have you always be so dramatic: RED is in no danger at all! Quite the opposite I would say! Why do you keep insisting on that?

2. It has been widely discussed that the DSLR are no competition at all because they do not deliver RAW-data, have less resolution and lots of other problems right now. They are great tools but for different purposes. You say yourself all the time that they are no match for the RED ONE...

3. Just because other companies do not deliver 4k yet doesn't mean a) that it doesn't make sense or b) is obsolete in the future. 4k will be the future; it is just a matter of time until the other companies will speed up their development, maybe skip one or two steps on the way to keep up. Even without 4k projection in every home or theatre, recording 4k makes sense. Oversampling has always made sense so far...

4. Sure RED has competition. It always had and always will have. It does not whatsoever if you are looking for 3k under 10000$ though, as far as I know.

So no, the Epson projector is not a savior. There is noone to be saved!
It is just a statement that the industry is reacting to the new digital cinema standard that seems to be 4k. Which is cool!

 

[Steven Caesare]

Well.. if you put those to thoughts together, maybe someone else is using the parts? Fairly flimsy pile of cards, but this seems a somewhat atypical Recon post...

That's exactly what will happen. Epson LCD panels are used by a number of manufacturers for projectors, including home-theater models.

Epson also has been pushing the envelope with the contrast performance, with their "DreamPanel" HTPS tech. The perfomance availaable in LCD projection is much better than it was even a few short years ago.

Finally, LCD's as a whole are often seen as less expensive alternatives than LCoS/SXRD and DLP. So hopefully with the new JVC 4K at the high end, these mat get used in a more price competative line of units.

-sc

 

[Felix K.]

P.S.: Calling RED a "project" is like calling Vienna "a little Austrian one-horse town"...

 

[Eric Rainey]

Hey Jim,
I thought I read a post a long time ago regarding you guys making a 4k monitor? Also, am I mistaken to think unless there are a lot of 4k projectors, what is the point of Red Ray... Is that why you posted this?

 

[M Most]

I do think that this panel is aimed at digital cinema, since its native resolution is according to DCI specification. Usually "office" projectors are 4:3, but this panel is the exact DCI spec at 4096x2160...

From the Epson press release:

With a resolution of nearly 8.85 megapixels, 4K panels offer four times the resolution of full HD (1920 × 1080), making them ideal for the high resolutions required by special applications such as industrial design, architectural design and simulations, as well as for presentations and projecting four full HD images at the same time.

Their words, not mine.

 

[Martin Weiss]

Guys, if you must make things personal, please use the PM button.

 

[Felix K.]

Well I don't think so. I think RED already "changed the game" and will go on doing so... with or without Epson's 4k projector. 4k is already used in FX-work a lot. The RED1 was used on so many professional projects that there is nothing left to prove (You too bought a RED ONE without an affordable 4k-projector around). And that Epic and Scarlet will go stellar, there is no doubt to me about that... Case closed...

 

[Tony Lorentzen]

Someone let us know if they got the message...

I think you know more than you're telling us, dear Jim ;-)

 

[okoku]

http://journal.mycom.co.jp/photo/news/2009/11/10/006/images/011l.jpg

It will be shown at INTERBEE in Makuhari, Japan from 18th through 20th Novemeber.

 

[Emanuel A.]

We are very happy to see Epson's announcement of a 4K projector that will be shown this month in Japan. Now someone has to tell them to use the RED Reel for their demos! Epson does a great job with projectors and we think this will be great for the industry. 4K all the way, baby!

Someone let us know if they got the message...

Jim

Someone close to digital cinema exhibition suppliers will be there, will speech according my source. I can try my best.

E.

 

[David Birdy]

Epson will show ultra-high resolution images including 3D when it exhibits a prototype ultra-high resolution projector using the panel at the International Broadcast Equipment Exhibition (Inter BEE 2009) to be held at Makuhari Messe, Chiba, Japan, from November 18 to 22

 

[David Collard]

It's really cool to see Red acknowledge Epson for their 4K projector. It's like one warrior tipping his hat to another out of respect.
Red's depth of character continues to make me smile.

 

[Lee Fingersh]

Epson has been doing some incredible work in the last couple years with the consumer projector segment, and as far as I know they do not have a line of projectors in the 5 or 6 figure market. It will be very interesting to see the price point they have in mind.

People that don't buy projectors in the 5 and 6 figure market may also avoid cameras in the 5 and 6 figure market. So, does this mean 2/3" Scarlet will now be 4096 x 2160 to match the new Epson panel? :biggrin:

 

[JD Holloway]

How about a DIY 4k projector kit!
There seems to be a lot more of them online these days... lol

 

[Gavin Greenwalt]

If their projectors are anything like their printers it'll be the sharpest, brightest most color accurate projector available for the money and then clog err-- burn out after 2 months.

 

[Ace]