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Buyers Beware Of The Epic Sale Scammers!

Ash Will

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Thought i'd give everyone a heads up about this and to be cautious when purchasing your Red.

I was approached by a fraudulent Epic seller whilst on my mission to purchase the camera. He originally contacted me through this forum as I placed a (WTB) post. He seemed very polite at first and sent me hi res images of an Epic which I thought seemed legit. We moved on and negotiated a price so it looked like we had a great deal (on my end...too good of a deal). In his original emails he had very broken english and claiming he was from Spain. As we continued to get closer to the sale, he was quite fluent and could understand me very well.

I thought this was odd, so I ended up tracking his IP address and his emails were being sent from the United States whilst saying he was in Spain. As a film maker, you tend to travel so I looked passed it and gave him the benefit of the doubt. He turned down simple requests such as putting today's newspaper next to the camera, stating he was too busy. I started to question him and arranged a meeting point before the sale. My father was heading into Valencia that week so he could make sure it was real. The seller agreed to this which put my hopes up again.

Once it got to the day of the meeting I received an email. He said he couldn't make it because he had a large business deal of $45k to attend to, so my sale was not important enough. He later replied demanding half the money to be sent and that the camera was very real. Of course he will send once he receives the payment.

This gave me 100% confirmation the guy was full of sh*t and I bailed from the seller.

Only till now I have found the images he sent to me are located on this website

http://www.borrowlenses.com/blog/2011/09/the-epic-begins/

Moral of the story, don't let your passion get in the way of common sense. Thankfully I ended up getting a real Red Epic from a genuine film maker from this forum and i'm in RED heaven.

The fraudulent sellers "name" was Luis Braz and his email address was luisbraz86@gmail.com

Be cautious everyone!


Ash Will
 
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Despite declaration or 'Real name' on this site we must remain vigilant before taking action on buys or sells. It is not personal. Indeed most here are legitimate and problems will likely not arise, but dishonesty targets honesty if we turn our backs.
 
Ash, you're lucky you escaped without any loss of funds. I think 99 percent of the users here are good folks, but it still has room for improvement.

I got taken for nearly 5000 last year because I let a seller say all the right things, and I let the excitement of the purchase cloud my judgement. It's why whenever I'm selling I try to be as thorough as possible, and EXPECT a buyer to ask me to jump through those hoops so that they feel confidant about their purchase.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?89550-RED-User-Seller-Fraud-David-Myers
 
Theres quite a bit of misrepresentation that goes on here - I pointed some out in a FOR SALE thread only to have the seller pretend he didn't understand my question and then he got a mod to "clean" up the thread. The misleading info remains in that sellers for sale advert.

Reduser is mostly know for its classifieds but they aren't policed very well (or at all).
 
Suffice to say RedUser marketplace is a fantastic vehicle to buy and sell goods; hopefully we continue to hear great stories of gear transactions, specifically RED equipment.
 
Admittedly I do not spend much time looking through the sales section unless I get complaints.

Martin Weiss has been very good at structuring and cleaning up that section of RU, though...
 
Someone should implement a user review system, like on eBay. We have sold very large items successfully, such as a Steadicam (we upgraded a few years ago) yet I have few ways to prove that the buyers were happy.
 
Someone should implement a user review system, like on eBay. We have sold very large items successfully, such as a Steadicam (we upgraded a few years ago) yet I have few ways to prove that the buyers were happy.

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Some kind of database for stolen camera that we can check or a referral system set up to check people that own RED cameras & gear. I like what MG1 Concepts is doing. You need to fill out a form with your camera's serial and referrals to verify your identity. I assume they are verifying your credentials. Makes sense.

Maybe a tagging system to stop these anonymous thieves.
 
Doesn't RED provide a unit checkout service (make sure it's in good working condition)? I wouldn't buy a used camera at this price range without verifying that it was in serviceable condition... and if the seller was unwilling or unable to submit their camera then you'd have your answer.
 
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