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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Build 16 + PC = NO (Or not yet)

Jay, you get all the cool emails.
 
Too much learning curve for a MAC\FCP route.

And too much extra expense for a questionable advantage.

I personally don't care that much for the tools, as long as they're good-enough.

Anyway, regardless of whether one goes MAC or PC... the person(s) sitting in front of the computer will always be the most important link in the chain. :tongue:

(Oh, I better get back to that Karl Reisz book... sya).

:)
 
Meryem Ersoz said:
Not in the multimedia world.

To me, it seems odd to spend $4K on a mattebox and not to expect to spend a dime on the basic post pipeline tools.

You can run your expensive windows apps on a mac, so it is not as if you are losing access to these tools. Of course, it doesn't flow the other way...

Just sayin' -- I hope the 3rd party tools improve rapidly for everybody.
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Nah, it is more like they already own a $4,000 mattebox and don't really want to buy another $4,000 mattebox that is a little slower, has the controls in slightly different places and only takes about a third of the filters they have without swapping out to an entirely different tray system to do it. And that original mattebox is supposed to be supported shortly.

If there was a paying gig that required it right this minute and the return on investment was short enough - then it isn't really that big a deal to buy a Mac system since they are pretty much "six of one half dozen of the other" when compared to a PC. It is just that there is nothing special about a Mac and it grates on some people sensibilities to spend several thousand dollars to not quite duplicate something you already have.
 
Clint Johnson said:
If there was a paying gig that required it right this minute and the return on investment was short enough - then it isn't really that big a deal to buy a Mac system since they are pretty much "six of one half dozen of the other" when compared to a PC. It is just that there is nothing special about a Mac and it grates on some people sensibilities to spend several thousand dollars to not quite duplicate something you already have.
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The problems is less if OSX or windows runs on the pcs.
Its re-qualifying dozens of employees/freelancers, its the reduced functionality of fcp, lets say compared to smoke - as well as the absence of any rgb online or 4K online on FCP.

BTW: One doesnt need an PC from Apple to run OSX - however if that is legal depends on your countries law. Here in berlin i see many, especially music and photostudios also using osx as dual-boot besides their windows on regular ~500€ quadcores.
 
BTW: One doesnt need an PC from Apple to run OSX - however if that is legal depends on your countries law. Here in berlin i see many, especially music and photostudios also using osx as dual-boot besides their windows on regular ~500€ quadcores.
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that's gotta be extremely buggy.....

cool idea though, if mac unlocked there OS I guarantee there OS sales would go through the roof...
I could buy a standard case and hardware, and slap an emblem of any old fruit on the side....peach maybe:w00t:
 
mdharrington said:
that's gotta be extremely buggy.....

cool idea though, if mac unlocked there OS I guarantee there OS sales would go through the roof...
I could buy a standard case and hardware, and slap an emblem of any old fruit on the side....peach maybe:w00t:
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The first reason they won't do this is that they want to force you to buy their hardware since that is where they make the widest margins. Even if the OS sales rise, their more profitable hardware sales would drop and they'd have to charge $500 of the OS to offset it.

And then they would have to add on another $300 for support when they try to cover the new users and the millions of possible hardware configurations. They don't have the experience in this that Microsoft has so they would end up being even buggier than Vista. The primary reason that the Apple operating system is more stable than Windows (there's damning with faint praise) is that it runs on a tightly limited range of hardware that Apple can test and debug to their heart's content.

If they opened it up to the unwashed masses, they would make Vista look like the paragon of stability and drown under an avalanche of user problems.
 
mdharrington said:
that's gotta be extremely buggy.....
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No, its exactly the same. Same drivers, same hardware, same OS... same stability (or lack of with certain Apple pro apps).

Most customers i know in berlin, who design their PCs to use as well with OSX, are houses who have several systems.

Those typically prefer to have 5 systems with 4 cores, a 8800GT, 4GB ram for a total of <2.500€ instead (including ~450€ for the OSX licenses) instead of one single mac pro.


Especially for renderfarms, sounstudios and larger VFX work i see these systems often. Its easy math - a 2GB mac pro dual-qual is 2.500€ here, a standard osx compatible quad with 8800gt is ~400-450. So thats 20*2.4 vs 8*2.8, 5* Nvidia 8800GT vs. 1 ATI2600 - for those who use distributed computing (not all do) thats an easy choice - The higher energy costs with the quad core however have to calculated as well - over 2-3 years they do sum up.

For single-person application without networking however, i think the mac pro 8 core is a pretty good choice however.

But the central point is : "OSX" was Intel when i first used it, ~1995-6(?), it was still called NextStep back then and S. Jobs was not at Apple, and unless Apple once more would design an own architecture, macs are simply intel pcs - nothing more, nothing less.
 
Sean said:
This topic does love to reoccur. Just thought I'd add that switching to a MBPro isn't simply a matter of coughing up another $2500. It's tossing and re-purchasing a dozen expensive applications and other OS-specific hardware. It's years of invested time and energy into thoroughly understanding an operating system and related software applications. It's the practical hardware and financial advantages of staying with PC, despite the current impracticality of dealing with Red footage in the PC world. I'd rather wait a few more months rather than invest a lot more money and months and months of time in reaching the same deep understanding of the OS. If it were as simple as a $2500 investment in a MBPro, I'd be there. But for me it's not.
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Every time Microsoft or Apple release a major upgrade is almost like relearning the OS. Things change, new features, old ones missing, etc etc.

Back before the return of Jobs, I made it a point to get more familar with Windows and Linux just for the fact that you never know what may happen.

OS flexibility is something I like, especially when not all tools are cross platform.
 
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