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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Broadcast?

Shawn Nelson

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So the DSMC seems obviously geared towards the consumer market...but I'm wondering if Jim & Co will be thinking of taking on the broadcast camera market? So far, the other companies seem safe in that regard.
 
shawn I think scarlet could take the broadcast market by storm at least based on the previous specs. I don't know how it will all turn out now. shallow dept of field is the last thing you want when shooting sports or events
 
Shawn, are you referring to live broadcast? In my opinion, Red is already being used in broadcast. Documentaries, TV shows, movie of the weeks. But news and live broadcast, not a place for Red.
 
Wouldn't Live Broadcast gain a bigger audience(future purchasers)?
 
stevesherrick said:
Shawn, are you referring to live broadcast? In my opinion, Red is already being used in broadcast. Documentaries, TV shows, movie of the weeks. But news and live broadcast, not a place for Red.
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Precisely, so are they going to make a camera to target that market? Sony, Panny, GV, etc all seem to be pretty secure in that market.
 
My day job recently switched from being a software engineer for an aviation company to being a workflow/asset developer for Thomson Grass Valley, so now I'm looking into the Broadcast market, which is a lot bigger than I ever thought.
 
"broadcast"

"broadcast"

Shawn, which part of the broadcast market interests you ?

As Steve comented, Red is already being used in broadcast - for advertising, documentaries, episodic TV shows and movie of the weeks.
 
If anything Id like to see if it is possible to derive a 1080/50i and 1080/59.94i HDSDI out from Red. I know its not strictly Digital Cinema but this would be of interest for Live underwater and perhaps other live events for the work I do.

Dave
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Shawn Nelson said:
to being a workflow/asset developer for Thomson Grass Valley, so now I'm looking into the Broadcast market, which is a lot bigger than I ever thought.
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Shawn,

That's crossing the line IMHO.:wink:

Stephen
 
Stephen Williams said:
crap we see on television?
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Hmmm....

If I'm not mistaken, you work heavily in television commercials which are broadcast. Surely you aren't calling your own work crap? :-)

RED One has been, is now, and will continue to be used heavily in the production of non-hardlined EFP programs for television. Not ENG or reality programs, but rather commercials, movies, and multiple program genres that seek higher production values (nature, some documentaries, etc). Just one non-RED, non-hardlined EFP example: the series "Planet Earth" was broadcast worldwide, with rave reviews and multiple Emmy Awards - and the production values were exceptional. About 75% of the Planet Earth series was shot non-hardlined EFP style (link: http://www.videography.com/articles/article_14974.shtml). I could go on and fill page after page of specific examples of "non-crap" television content. As an annual Emmy Awards judge (PrimeTime, Sports, Daytime, etc.) I have a very good handle on what sucks and what doesn't in the broadcast industry. Some programs reek - others are exceptionally good - and others lie everywhere in between.

Yes, there are a lot of "crap" programs (and commercials) broadcast, but I also see a lot of crap movies, and other forms of non-broadcast motion media that could definitely qualify as crap. To simply define all broadcast as "crap" is to ignore and minimize the good creative work of a lot of professionals. That's the kind of comment I'd expect to see on other tech forums (usually cinematography forums), not here on RED User where the convergent technology of RED has drawn a diverse array of professionals from the film, television, and still photography industries. Film shooters aren't the only true professionals in the motion media industry - though they constantly like to posture as such.

Respect is a 2-way street. IMO RED User members need to show respect for each other and the wide variety of professional backgrounds represented here. Calling an entire industry simply "crap" doesn't fit that model at all.

Shawn - when you say "broadcast", that term encompasses three industries: ENG (Electronic News Gathering), hardlined EFP (Electronic Field Production - usually hardlined events coverage and certain drama), and non-hardlined EFP (the vast majority of television programs produced - documentaries, nature, alternative sports, travel, music, food, cultures, lifestyle, etc.). RED One is almost never used in ENG, is very seldom used in hardlined EFP, but is already used extensively in non-hardlined EFP, which is what I've been using my three REDs mostly for. I would expect both Epic and Scarlet to have good non-hardlined EFP capabilities - I'm buying two Epic and at least four Scarlet, and you can bet I'll use them in non-hardlined EFP and also other styles of production.

DSMC capabilities? I guess we'll have the answer to that on 11/13.

When Stuart posted "Define what you mean by broadcast" I would guess he was asking you to narrow down your question to a specific division of broadcast (ENG, Non-HL EFP, or HL EFP).

Anyone who'd like to read a primer on the differences between Hardlined EFP, non-hardlined EFP, and ENG can do so by reading my summary at the top of the RED for EFP/ENG forum here on RED User. "Broadcast" is a very wide term - and categorizing all the different genres and production values of all content that is broadcast into one simple term is virtually impossible.

Again...respect is a 2-way street...and here on RED User where there are members from many backgrounds we all need to show respect for each others backgrounds and crafts.
 
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