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Broadcast standard/RED RAY revisited

JD Holloway

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Its funny how these things come up...
I remember posting ages ago about the posibility of RED codec becoming a standard for broadcast.

http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4212&highlight=broadcast

While I didn't forsee REDRAY at the time, they do, in my mind, have something in common. An "every day" delivery format for the consumer. Correct me if im wrong, but if its possible to have data rates/compression this "deep" with common red laser technology, clearly it must be possible to use existing satellite transmittion to send 4k(ish) to an at-home 4k decodebox.

Loving the future!
 
I don't know if 4k will ever be necessary or desired in the home in terms of the mass market. All these years later, consumers are more than satisfied with 4k resolution in the theater on a huge screen and haven't demanded all films be shot in 70mm or IMAX in order to keep spending $10 on a movie ticket. Since most consumers cannot fit larger than 80" screen in their home, 1080p on a 60" screen from 5 feet looks as good as theatrical releases. BUT, i do think the future could hold 60 frame per second full 1080p at 12 or 16 bit color range with higher quality on the compression side. I just think some things hit a plateau ya know?

Some will say, then why shoot in 4k or 5k if you think mass market 4k television sets aren't on the horizon anytime in the near future. Well, DOF for one thing but also because shooting 4k allows pan and scan, smoothcam and zoom capabilities and because 4k converted down to 1080p will always look better than 1080p shot native. IMHO! :)

-shooter
 
shooter said:
I don't know if 4k will ever be necessary or desired in the home in terms of the mass market. All these years later, consumers are more than satisfied with 4k resolution in the theater ...
-shooter
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There are but a handful of theatres worldwide with 4k. Most digital theaters are in fact running 2k. I would love it if the local theaters installed 4k but they aren't.
 
Craig Bowman said:
There are but a handful of theatres worldwide with 4k. Most digital theaters are in fact running 2k. I would love it if the local theaters installed 4k but they aren't.
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In Europe (except for UK) SONY have managed to push through their 4K SXRD. By 2010 there (in europe) will be more 4K DC's (Digital Cinemas) then 2K and 35mm put together... Maybe even sooner...
 
Peter Majtan said:
In Europe (except for UK) SONY have managed to push through their 4K SXRD. By 2010 there (in europe) will be more 4K DC's (Digital Cinemas) then 2K and 35mm put together... Maybe even sooner...
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More than 2K and 35mm? That would mean several thousand installations in the next 18 months. What's your source?
 
Peter Majtan said:
In Europe (except for UK) SONY have managed to push through their 4K SXRD. By 2010 there (in europe) will be more 4K DC's (Digital Cinemas) then 2K and 35mm put together... Maybe even sooner...
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I very, very seriously doubt that.

2020 - Maybe.

The digital rollout in Europe has been abysmally slow in every country other than the UK (a notable exception), Germany (to a much lesser extent), and Norway (because of some government intervention). The economic picture needs to be a lot brighter for that to change significantly in the short term.
 
roryhinds said:
or the cost of projectors need to come down.
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That would basically be true, but it's a rather simplistic view. The projector is only one component. There are servers, automation systems, storage systems, screen upgrades, and other things that are also a part of a digital cinema installation. Not to mention that the lamps are more expensive than those used in film projectors and generally have to be replaced more frequently. It should also be pointed out that one of the current drivers for more digital projection adoption (and perhaps the only one that has been shown to be a potential audience draw) is 3D, which requires significant additional investment beyond the basic projector.
 
PS: Don't forget that other major players (in the Projector field) are also introducing 4K models and are offering interesting upgrades to their current 2K customers. So as the 4K installations will grow in numbers - the 2K ones will actually decline - and so will 35mm. This will tip the scales...

With great quality HD projectors and flat TVs available at bargain prices cinemas needs to offer something little more then 128 pixels in horizontal resolution...
 
Sxrd

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SONY will ship this year 15000+ of their 4K SXRD models - majority to go to EU and USA. And that is just 2008...
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If this proves to be true, good for them.
 
I am not a big fan of SONY (even after working with their HQs in Tokyo for couple of years), but some things they do right...

Releasing 4K projector for $85K when 2K projectors were $150K+ was "almost" as revolutionary as what RED is doing with their cameras. They do deserve credit for that and I sincerely wish them to meet (and exceed) this target...
 
Why? It's middle of May and they have 6K+ orders already... Like it, or not, RED may be actually helping with these numbers as people in the business are realizing that 4K is becoming mainstream (thanks to RED!) and therefore it makes sense to outfit the new cinemas with "current" technology. With such an investment You wanna be future-proof. Another thing that helps is that SONY has priced their 4K projectors in line with (or bellow) competition's 2K offerings - now what You want to buy for the same money 2K or 4K?
 
The source is directly from SONY HQ's in Tokyo. The guy is in the level 3 corporate hierarchy (meaning that his boss's boss is the president - read VVIP). Please remember that these projectors are not only for DC applications. I have personally helped to develop the 4xDVI input board that allows direct connection to a computer, which has broaden up the customer's base 10-fold...

Also note I have said that they have 6K+ "orders" - not shipped products...
 
Ok,
just musing here,
if RED can playback at 1080p and our computers can barely....
then red is a solid basis for redcode-decoder.
if RED RAY can handle low(ish) bandwidth 4k transcode...
if you coupled them together, do you have a 4k on set playback device for real time?
Like a pimped out AJA?
This could of course be a RED HERRING.
 
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