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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Big news...

Daniil Vyshemirskyi said:
Liam, you wouldn't BELIEVE, the insanity of the people who get loans from Ukrainian banks. The banks themselves, on the other hand use this insanity quite successfully.
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It is not interesting. Bank don't give money for camera Bank just give money for anything you want according to you security (sum of deposit). It is not a problem the problem is that 30 000 is not enough for RED ONE (even used) and there is no any alternative for cinema projects. So I will be waiting for Epic-S but I start waiting when I was 30 And will get camers when will be 34 I think (if i will get it in 2012 not in 2013 or 2014)! I understand it is way on mine field but may be need to fine some way out!
 
Alexey Datsenko said:
It is not interesting. Bank don't give money for camera Bank just give money for anything you want according to you security (sum of deposit). It is not a problem the problem is that 30 000 is not enough for RED ONE (even used) and there is no any alternative for cinema projects. So I will be waiting for Epic-S but I start waiting when I was 30 And will get camers when will be 34 I think (if i will get it in 2012 not in 2013 or 2014)! I understand it is way on mine field but may be need to fine some way out!
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here's an easy way out! RENT A RED ONE!!!
 
Are there links to the actual announcements?

A detailed list of what was announced?

Red dragon is a sensor upgrade but any details other than the picture of a T-shirt?

What post options?

When will this stuff be available?

I looked on Red.com but there aren't any press release updates.
 
Daniil Vyshemirskyi said:
here's an easy way out! RENT A RED ONE!!!
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For example 30 shooting days for a project - Rent - is 500 USD per day - 15000 for rent a camera - plus unexeptable cases (and reshooting) it is a big risk to spend All money and you wil need to shoot a lot of episods else 15000 for a project - it is 50% of Epic-S - And I can shoot every day free for 1,2,5 projects for 30,40,100 days! I can't spend 15000 for every projects with risk money is finisned and film is not a ready! I can be witout film and without money! Even if I can shoot for 15000 the whole project I neeed do spend another 15000 for the second and another 15000 for the next! I can only win time for 15000 may be 1 year but then I will not have 15000 for buying Epic-S in a year! I am not a major studio, I can't spend 15 000 for every projects - there is only one way - have a camera and shooting a lot of days without limits shooting and shooting until get what your need!
Rent is possible way out but I need to find some crazy with RED ONE on conditions that here is for example 5000 and we will shoot in cooperations until get what we want! I am looking for such crazy now But it is hard searching - it is need to have a friend with RED ONE:)!
 
Alexey Datsenko said:
For example 30 shooting days for a project - Rent - is 500 USD per day - 15000 for rent a camera - plus unexeptable cases (and reshooting) it is a big risk to spend All money and you wil need to shoot a lot of episods else 15000 for a project - it is 50% of Epic-S - And I can shoot every day free for 1,2,5 projects for 30,40,100 days! I can't spend 15000 for every projects with risk money is finisned and film is not a ready! I can be witout film and without money! Even if I can shoot for 15000 the whole project I neeed do spend another 15000 for the second and another 15000 for the next! I can only win time for 15000 may be 1 year but then I will not have 15000 for buying Epic-S in a year! I am not a major studio, I can't spend 15 000 for every projects - there is only one way - have a camera and shooting a lot of days without limits shooting and shooting until get what your need!
Rent is possible way out but I need to find some crazy with RED ONE on conditions that here is for example 5000 and we will shoot in cooperations until get what we want! I am looking for such crazy now But it is hard searching - it is need to have a friend with RED ONE:)!
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I understand why you want to shoot your projects on RED - for obvious reasons. But if you really need to do these projects so quickly and you can't wait to get them done, just rent a cheaper camera, which will still allow you to shoot what you want properly. RED don't make the only cameras in the world, and shooting your project on a RED One / Epic won't magically make it any better or bring in more money for you.
 
Sounds like Apple to me - smart move at this stage of the game.

Managing expectations is the most difficult trick in life, business et al

Most of us know that this is a necessary step in the evolution of Red from upstart
To industry darling belle of the ball right now.

Becoming successful is hard enough - but staying successful is the real challenge

And people need to chill - Jim won't stop posting cool shit and
I for one WELCOME this new mantra simply for fiscal planning.

There is still plenty to get caught up on with all the new gear that IS shipping

See you guys in a few hours :)
 
Tim Whitcomb said:
I for one WELCOME this new mantra simply for fiscal planning.
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How would acting more like Apple help anyone with planning anything? I don't get it.

I guess I don't get why people complain on here either when they know it pisses Jim off. Maybe expectations have weight like if Red was publicly traded. For example, Apple can do really great as a company for a certain period, but if they don't meet the analyst's exact expectations, the stock goes down.
 
Felix van Oost said:
I understand why you want to shoot your projects on RED - for obvious reasons. But if you really need to do these projects so quickly and you can't wait to get them done, just rent a cheaper camera, which will still allow you to shoot what you want properly. RED don't make the only cameras in the world, and shooting your project on a RED One / Epic won't magically make it any better or bring in more money for you.
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It is hard to explain...May be you don't understand and think I am crazy but...I let my projects die than make it with picture which don't satisfy me!
I need film or RED ONE!
 
Jannard said:
Our announcements, from now on, will only be about products that are ready to ship. The RED Dragon program is the last forward looking announcement we will make... Everything changes. From now on.. So will our announcements.
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That's even more disappointing to me than delayed cameras. I have always loved the transparency you guys have provided us. It's been great following along as you guys develop your products. I think it's one of the reasons you have such a passionate customer/fan base. We feel invested in the process. You have always been very clear to everyone that things change and nothing is concrete in the early stages. I will miss checking "Recon" on a daily/semi-daily basis. I sincerely hope you reconsider and I am sure the majority here will agree with me.
 
I'm psyched that there is an upgrade path to Monstro. I'm sad that the doors have to close on the process, though I understand why.

There are too many eyes on RED now, and transparency, which once worked so well for them, appears to be backfiring.

To everything there is a season. It was fun to be part of an historic moment in imaging and in business, while it lasted. You changed the imaging world and you have certainly changed my world. Thanks again.
 
Jim Retar said:
Everything is subject to change...

with the exception of...

jim will always let the cat out of the bag about exciting new stuff.... he just can't seem to help himself :-)
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Well, let's hope so. Heck, even Sony, Panasonic, and Apple get the juices flowing by talking about their forthcoming products.

As for Dragon, I'm certainly psyched about that!

Stephen
 
Jannard said:
Everything changes. From now on.. So will our announcements.
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Obviously the "pre-announcement" style places tremendous burdens on the Company, probably causes a vast increase in administrative overhead, and Jim's time answering questions on a fluid battlefield, but it's great fun and entertainment for the customers. But in a world where "Everything changes", maybe some form of "pre-announcing" will evolve in the future ... it was certainly a fun ride.
 
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Jim, you should not take peoples comments or disappointments the wrong way, everyone is emotionally involved now in red to the point of addiction. Most importantly, people are not getting disappointed over lack of news or deliveries at Canon, Sony, and others only because there is nothing worthy of getting disappointed over. See this as the ultimate form of flattery! RED Cameras are worse then the hot chick we are all are lusting over to the point it is driving us crazy. Originally I had hope to see a small batch of Scarlet fixed on sale at NAB, but I realize that would have been stupid, it would have turned into a blood bath. I'm a calm guy, but would have bitten someones arm off to get a camera.

My two cent... off now to get pschiciatric help to carry me over the last stretch!
 
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