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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Beta REDCINE v1.0.2 (Build 74)

MichaelP said:
How does one save out the XML from RedCine?

Michael
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Just put .XML on the end of the file name when you save a Redcine project.
 
Got it, thanks!
 
luki said:
Guys,

XML is not a "universal" thing. FCP XML will not load into REDCINE, so stop trying. :) XML is merely a common and organized way of formatting text. It does not mean that XML from one program will load into another program.

The best analogy I can draw is that English and Welsh are written with the same Roman characters. Doesn't mean they're the same language and that English speakers will understand Welsh.

XML is the roman characters - a lower level of organization. The meaning and content (FCP, SCRATCH, REDCINE, etc.) is what is contained and organized by the characters.

Or better put - learn Welsh. It's a cool language.

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA (...but currently in Hong Kong)
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OK...then what does this mean and how exactly are we supposed to load our shots into Red Cine??:

XML Save and Load: Timelines can be saved in an XML format allowing for data exchange with other systems such as offline editorial. Only shot timing and framing information is included, no color information is saved in the XML file. To load and XML file, the shots must first be loaded into REDCINE and then the XML is loaded and a new timeline is created.
 
digitalfx said:
OK...then what does this mean and how exactly are we supposed to load our shots into Red Cine??:

XML Save and Load: Timelines can be saved in an XML format allowing for data exchange with other systems such as offline editorial. Only shot timing and framing information is included, no color information is saved in the XML file. To load and XML file, the shots must first be loaded into REDCINE and then the XML is loaded and a new timeline is created.
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It is exactly what it says it is - a way of saving some timeline information for data exchange with other systems.

Put together a timeline in REDCINE. Now save an XML file. Open it in a text editor. It contains all the information for the shots you loaded into REDCINE.

There are a ton of uses for this. Final Cut XML can be translated to REDCINE XML, and that is a pull-list. REDCINE XML can be translated into a batch script for loading files into another system like iQ or Smoke. REDCINE XML can be used to automate an archival process to LTO tape for circle takes.

I'm sure that this is just the first step in what will be a more expanded and explained XML schema for REDCINE.

Think of this exactly as it says in the Release Notes - it is a method by which data exchange can be facilitated with other systems.

Lucas
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ASSIMILATE, Inc.
LA, CA, USA
 
It creates the foundation for the tools you want to be made.

It's just like command line support. It doesn't inherently build you a render farm and efficient pipeline, but it does give you the means of creating one with sufficient time and resources.
 
So basicaly you save this xml from redcine...

Load that into the red import option in fcp and that pulls in all the clips as redcode and decodes on the fly.

export via some new thing :-/ and import that into redcine...

fingers crossed....
s
 
flameop said:
So basicaly you save this xml from redcine...

Load that into the red import option in fcp and that pulls in all the clips as redcode and decodes on the fly.
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No. You're either not reading what's been said here, or you're not listening.

The only thing Redcine and Final Cut XML files have in common is that they're both written using a particular programming language (XML). The information in either one must be extracted and translated to something the other understands. That translation layer is not currently being supplied to you by either Red or Apple. Final Cut does not import or understand Redcine files, and Redcine does not import or understand Final Cut files. At some point in the future, someone or multiple someones will write software to translate between those files for specific uses, such as pull list generation. That hasn't happened yet.

And by the way, the specific XML tags and file format used in Redcine is, I believe, identical to that of Scratch. And we and a number of others have been asking for such a translator (i.e., Final Cut XML files to Scratch for EDL import) for quite some time. The problem, at least in part, stems from trying to make a single video layer program (i.e., Scratch or Redcine) understand files generated from a multiple video layer environment (i.e., Final Cut or Avid). That requires either multiple files or clever sorting in order to be effective, although in the case of creating only a pull list this is less of a problem.
 
mmost...

I think that should just be "reading", or understanding what your reading.. unsure how to listen on here.. moot point?



Anyway, totally my fault. I said fingers crossed, ie workflow I hope for. Apologies if that was unclear..


I know what is possible now and some of what is coming.

I didn't considers the layers holdup in xml though.. so thanks for that one.



s
 
flameop said:
So basicaly you save this xml from redcine...

Load that into the red import option in fcp and that pulls in all the clips as redcode and decodes on the fly.

export via some new thing :-/ and import that into redcine...

fingers crossed....
s
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That's exactly what this allows us to do... once someone writes the bolded parts.

Or replace FCP with Avid, Adobe... etc etc.
 
Red have always said that Redcine won't read EDLs, just pull lists. To me this means a list of the shots used in the edit, with in and out marks, but no knowledge (or need for knowledge) of how those shots go together in the edit. Conforming those shots together into a programme is the job of the online editing system, which Redcine was never intended to be.

The simplest way of making a pull list in FCP is to media manage the timeline to an offline sequence with handles. The new Master Clips bin is then effectively a pull list. The bin can be exported as XML, and a tool could be written to convert this to Redcine XML. Sadly my programming skills are not up to the job, but I'm sure somebody on this forum could do it.

Currently you need to load the shots into Redcine before loading the XML, but I'm sure future versions will not have this requirement, as Redcine XML contains full paths for the .R3D files.

So the challenge is set… Anybody want to take it up?
 
Nick Shaw said:
Red have always said that Redcine won't read EDLs, just pull lists. To me this means a list of the shots used in the edit, with in and out marks, but no knowledge (or need for knowledge) of how those shots go together in the edit. Conforming those shots together into a programme is the job of the online editing system, which Redcine was never intended to be.
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It should allow us to import an edl from final cut (from an offline proxy edit) directly into Red Cine so that you can SIMPLY export the shots as 4K or whatever DPX or TIFF files for ON-LINE Editorial. And by "simply" I mean it should be a simple export and import.
 
A pull list will more accurate if exported by the NLE since a sequence can get quite complex with FX and layers that an EDL cannot express. One could create an XML to XML filter from any type of NLE if needed. Next step is managing changes... that is always fun.

Michael
 
Has anyone seen this problem with the latest version... it just gives its own TC and not from source. Everything as properly set, the same way it has been since I started working with Redcine, but it doesn't give Source TC
 
are you loading multiple input clips and generating a single output movie?
 
Hi

I'm missing the fps display in this version that shows the actual playback speed. I think this is very important so the director doesn't freak out when he watches the footage and thinks it was all shot in slow motion :wink:

Is there a way to edit quicktime settings in the output dialog?

-Simon
 
digitalfx said:
It should allow us to import an edl from final cut (from an offline proxy edit) directly into Red Cine so that you can SIMPLY export the shots as 4K or whatever DPX or TIFF files for ON-LINE Editorial. And by "simply" I mean it should be a simple export and import.
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You will be able to import a FCP XML and do that.
 
Detail and Sharpen options

Detail and Sharpen options

I am changing the Details and Sharpen option and I do not see any affect on the preview screen.
Is this change going only to the output file or we should see the effect of this change right on the preview screen.

Also highlight slider in the color menu do not show any change on the screen and on the histogram. All other sliders are working fine showing change on the preview screen and on the histogram.
Could someone try it and confirm that what I see is what others see.

Andrew
 
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