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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Beta Camera Build 3.2.8

Tell you what give me the slow motion for the scarlet and I will show you what it can do and I won't be shooting glasses of milk or flowers. I want a range on my investment that's second to none. Meaning even if the consumers catch me they still won't have the features that I will. Sony F700 4K camera but you have to wait and pay for the firmware in order to activate the 4 K.....ARE YOU FOR REAL!!! Go Scarlet and a small little yae for the camera that makes everyone have big balls after they buy it and can't make it work the epicccccccc. Get your cigars out boys and raise you chest because i see a little guy with a scarlet coming!

Its not rich or poor robbie its art! whew...I think I'll go play with me scarlet and smash on consumer camera buyers...NOT!
 
Rob Ruffo said:
None of what you say has anything do do with making a business investment (NOT just a personal one for the sake of art) and expecting a semi-reasonable financial return to last for a reasonable amount of time. Of course one day the Epic will be superseded, but if my Epic goes out of date too fast then next time I will not buy any camera and just rent like I used to. If everyone does this the camera business will take a nosedive.

For me this is my living - shooting/renting gear. Some of you see this only from the perspective of hobbiests, so of course when you hear the matter discussed as a business you get offended - "NO! It's ART! Go shoot something and post it on Vimeo!" I am not talking about my abilities as a cinematographer when I say I want my Epic to be worth more per rental day, than a camera costing 1/4 the price, just a few months after I bought it. My discussion here has nothing to do with art or talent.

A 34 K investment is not an art thing. How hard is that to grasp!?
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Rob, I feel the same way. Since getting back from nab, I've started thinking about the rental side of my business ( I do think of myself as a business, as any cinematographer should). I think that from now on I'll invest in glass as the camera business is totally saturated. I can buy a $40k lens that is good for at least 10 years as opposed to a $40k camera that is good for a year and a half. The 5d killed the camera rental business and now producers want a red kit for $300/day and some people are giving it to them. The one thing that will always cost money is good glass and I'm not talking about stills lenses of which I own plenty.
I own an epic and love it despite it's quirks but I'm seriously thinking about getting out of the camera game.
 
Vino Harris said:
Tell you what give me the slow motion for the scarlet and I will show you what it can do and I won't be shooting glasses of milk or flowers. I want a range on my investment that's second to none. Meaning even if the consumers catch me they still won't have the features that I will. Sony F700 4K camera but you have to wait and pay for the firmware in order to activate the 4 K.....ARE YOU FOR REAL!!! Go Scarlet and a small little yae for the camera that makes everyone have big balls after they buy it and can't make it work the epicccccccc. Get your cigars out boys and raise you chest because i see a little guy with a scarlet coming!

Its not rich or poor robbie its art! whew...I think I'll go play with me scarlet and smash on consumer camera buyers...NOT!
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Huh?
 
Rob Ruffo said:
Mark, 5K is a different crop of the lens, effectively a larger sensor. It looks different. Seriously man, you can't see that difference? I could care less about resolution and I almost never shoot slomo. But a bigger sensor looks way better, and is a zoom-out from noise and lens imperfections.

Life is too short for what Mark? Too short to expect a reasonable R.O.I. on major kit investments?
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I did not say 5k... I siad 4k epic and 4k scarlet ate identical at 24fps.
I shoot 4k on my epic alot.... Especially on alot of PL glass that nips the corners in 5k. I just click over to 4k.
4k does not concern Fincher... Why you. ?
I think you need to chill Rob. Your way to stressed to type.
 
Mark Toia said:
I did not say 5k... I siad 4k epic and 4k scarlet ate identical at 24fps.
I shoot 4k on my epic alot.... Especially on alot of PL glass that nips the corners in 5k. I just click over to 4k.
4k does not concern Fincher... Why you. ?
I think you need to chill Rob. Your way to stressed to type.
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In other news, this build rocks. Lovely being able to share the love and knowledge at REDUcation NYC... YES!
 
Could someone kindly explain in more detail what the process is for force upgrade process? I have tried the normal upgrade process and had a white screen appear several times when I tried powering up and so rolled back to a previous release build. I would like to give it another burl using the force upgrade process.
 
Rob Castiglione said:
Could someone kindly explain in more detail what the process is for force upgrade process? I have tried the normal upgrade process and had a white screen appear several times when I tried powering up and so rolled back to a previous release build. I would like to give it another burl using the force upgrade process.
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Clear your SSD, put all contents in trash, empty it, and then drag the folder into the SSD and power up. It will prompt you to upgrade or not... If it doesn't work, leave the SSD in, now use with the force restore option. This will not prompt, at least in my case it didn't a roll back, but it prompted the camera to accept the new firmware.
 
Rob Castiglione said:
Could someone kindly explain in more detail what the process is for force upgrade process? I have tried the normal upgrade process and had a white screen appear several times when I tried powering up and so rolled back to a previous release build. I would like to give it another burl using the force upgrade process.
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It will then ask you to restart, but only do so after 10 seconds and take out the SSD before you restart.
 
Rob Castiglione said:
Could someone kindly explain in more detail what the process is for force upgrade process? I have tried the normal upgrade process and had a white screen appear several times when I tried powering up and so rolled back to a previous release build. I would like to give it another burl using the force upgrade process.
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Remember to have your side-handle off the machine.
 
Rob Castiglione said:
Could someone kindly explain in more detail what the process is for force upgrade process? I have tried the normal upgrade process and had a white screen appear several times when I tried powering up and so rolled back to a previous release build. I would like to give it another burl using the force upgrade process.
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1) place the upgrade file of your choice in a folder called force_upgrade on the top level of an SSD
2) with the camera OFF, insert the SSD into the camera
3) power the camera ON
4) wait for the upgrade to complete (the green LED's will flash and the camera will shut down automatically)
5) power the camera ON and wait for it to boot up with the new version

The website now has 3.2.8 in a folder called force_upgrade when you download it.
 
Vino Harris said:
haha dude I'm a director and a cine man..I could care less about renting because i would rather own it. that way I don't have a time line on when I have to shoot or paying out the az for a lens etc. Making movies is an ART! If your in it for the money, that might be your hang up. If you own your equipment you rule your own world baby.

I work for a living and when I take my hard earn and buy a camera I don't jump for joy until I can push that baby to the limits. What hurts is when someone looks at your footage and make a statement you shot that on a...... The love of it is when they have to ask and you say that wasn't a epic.hahaha I love it man so you can waaa until the cows come home ...its not what you spend it's how you spend it. If you bought a camera to rent out just to maket some cash then you are missing the big picture there ROB.

We keep the companies on their toes by wanting them to push the limits. After all if RED wasn't pushing the limits your little Epic wouldn't be able to do the great things that it does. Tell you what.. I'll give you my scarlet for your Epic then I'll school you on how to use it's son. you won't miss the camera because you have the big bucks to buy another one cat daddy.
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You are mixing up art and commerce,. I buy gear as a business decision, but do my work as a D.P. and director not just for the money. They are two different things.

Your level of education, from your use of English, is rather poor. I think I'll pass on your offer to "school" me.
 
Matthew could U please solve the question if we got to get the sidehandle off from the camera when upgrading the FW?
I've done everything with the SH attached and everything's worked fine. After rebooting I've read "Upgrading attached ###" for a few seconds and the camera is working properly after that.

TheBied said:
1) place the upgrade file of your choice in a folder called force_upgrade on the top level of an SSD
2) with the camera OFF, insert the SSD into the camera
3) power the camera ON
4) wait for the upgrade to complete (the green LED's will flash and the camera will shut down automatically)
5) power the camera ON and wait for it to boot up with the new version

The website now has 3.2.8 in a folder called force_upgrade when you download it.
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Rob. Do you think that your personal comments on other Red Users is appropriate? We can all tell the difference between robust debate and attacks of a more personal nature. I think that you have crossed the line in a number of your posts.
 
Shane Kelly said:
Rob, I feel the same way. Since getting back from nab, I've started thinking about the rental side of my business ( I do think of myself as a business, as any cinematographer should). I think that from now on I'll invest in glass as the camera business is totally saturated. I can buy a $40k lens that is good for at least 10 years as opposed to a $40k camera that is good for a year and a half. The 5d killed the camera rental business and now producers want a red kit for $300/day and some people are giving it to them. The one thing that will always cost money is good glass and I'm not talking about stills lenses of which I own plenty.
I own an epic and love it despite it's quirks but I'm seriously thinking about getting out of the camera game.
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I think, sadly, that the Epic will be the last camera we ever buy. It's rental for us from now on if ever we need the next new thing beyond that.

The Epic does everything we need. Hopefully we will pay it off before BM releases something for $200.
 
Monitor problems post upgrade

Monitor problems post upgrade

How these threads tangent from being beneficial to users to forums for/against camera purchases and whether Epic has a bigger dick than Scarlet, I will never know or understand.

It is hard enough to follow the spiderwebs of useful information. No wonder there's a case for a paid-site.

Anyway. To return the thread about the update - now 40 screens or so deep.

I've just upgraded my M and it takes two to three re-boots to get my 5" PRO screen up and running.

Sometimes, I just get half black/half white and some bar-codish like stripes through one half.

The previous build even let me 'hot swap' from the EVF to the 5" - when I dared.

Anybody have any insights?

Thanks RED for rocking the updates.
 
TheBied said:
We have tracked down the issue with the upgrade process on 3.2.8.

Until we get a fix in, the recommended upgrade path is to use the force_upgrade process...

1) create a force_upgrade folder on the top level of your SSD
2) drag the upgrade.bin file into the force_upgrade folder
3) insert SSD into camera
4) power up the camera and wait for upgrade to complete. (the green pwr/rec LED's will flash while upgrading and the camera will automatically shut down)

everything will be restored to the proper 3.2.8 settings on the next power cycle.

if you decide to downgrade from 3.2.8 to 3.0.x, we recommend the same procedure.
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Any chance of re-arranging Reduser so the alerts go at the top instead of appearing 20 screens in?
 
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