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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Beta Camera Build 3.2.8

I did quite a bit of testing today on the new Beta firmware. One repeating problem, if you are recording and reach the full capacity of the media, the camera locks up still in record mode. You cannot push stop to get out of "record", and the power off button is grayed-out in the power menu. SO I was forced to hold the power button to do a hard shut-down. Then, upon power up, I attempted to enter playback mode. The camera presumably attempted to cur up the last recorded piece of media, at which time it generates an error message and locks up completely with that message on screen. No camera function or menu function. Upon hard shutdown and restart, normal camera operation continues, though going into playback mode continued to generate the message and lock the camera. Presumably the last clip was corrupt, with the camera locking up in record mode when the card filled.
I did not seem to have any other issues, and Redmote with camera on the jib, running the new firmware also, functioned as it was supposed to. No problems, no connection losses.
 
TheBied said:
Phil, Nice job with the updated chart.

Here are some minor edits needed:

* 5K 2:1 has a 2:1 aspect ratio
* 5K WS has a resolution of 5120x2160
* 5K HD has a resolution of 4800x2700
* The max frame rate for 4K HD is 121 fps (EPIC)
* The max frame rate for 3K and 3K HD is 160 fps (EPIC)
* The max frame rate for 2K HD is 240 (EPIC)
* The max frame rate for 1K HD is 89 fps (Scarlet)
* The resolutions for 2K and 2K HD swapped
* 1K WS has a 2.66:1 aspect ratio.
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I know a lot of us are hoping that we'll see a figure in the scarlet column for 5K 2:1 and 5K W/S that is 24 or higher... any positive sounds you could make about that? :-)
The epic frame rate differences for those aspects are encouraging anyway... (5K 2:1 = approx 83.5% of 4K framerate => 25 fps scarlet???)
 
Trent Lillehaugen said:
Where is the actual redcode value not reflected? On the top bar of the camera? On the REDmote? In the meta data in playback (and REDcine X)?
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That's right. Well, not always... E.g. I set up 5K RC8:1 then switched to 1K HD then changed framerate to the max, at that point RC value is displayed yellow RC 12:1, sometimes it would show my default 8:1 in white. I tried the trick again in various combinations, started by setting RC to 5:1/3:1 doing the whole thing trying diff rez and framerates and again sometimes it would not show RC auto-downgrade. Then when in playback checking metadata for those clips it reports what it showed, e.g RC 8:1 where it couldn't have been because of the high framerates. OK, so, yes, it did not reflect (sometimes) the actual value on the top bar on the LCD and in the metadata of clips when in playback on camera. I did not check the RedMote for it, neither did I check the resulted clips in RCX.

EDIT: tried again to replicate the issue and everything worked just as it should. grand! must've been a glitch of some sort... the only thing that was different was that I put on the side handle.
 
The power management has improved a bit.

Also, I'm not sure if I forgot, but wasn't there a way to delete a scene in playback from the touchscreen? Either it was never there, or I just can't find it now.

Joe
 
While I'm very grateful for phantom power, I'm still hoping for 25 fps with HDRx at 3K…
 
Came back to the 3.0.7 firmware.
For what I've seen the 3.2.8 is the less stable firmware I've checked, with histogram issues - gap to the right side -, useless 1K resolution. And maybe the image is wayyy noisier (after black calibration is the same thing, roll back to 3.0.7 and the image came back with so less noise... and same lighting situation).
Guys in production or in preproduction, I'll remind U this is a beta, not use if you're in that moments or U'll find out something not very nice (maybe yes maybe not, of course).
btw Thanx to Redteam to share their work with us, also if it's not yet ready enough for real shooting - I know there's too pressure for something hot coming up from U, higher frames etc..
but I think that the bigger improvement U could do is the power management - I'm thinking about it as THE more important feature the Epic/Scarlet is missing... -
and 1 frame more for 3K - for Us PAL guys - and of course 50 for Hdrx (yes pre-roll would be nice too).
About the 1K... really the Scarlet can't do some nice higher frame with burst mode at a decent resolution, at least 1920x1080??? mmm... come on, guys, smells like Epic protecting politics).
 
Joseph S. said:
wasn't there a way to delete a scene in playback from the touchscreen? Either it was never there, or I just can't find it now.
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No, there never was such a function. Those of us working in documentary, would love such a function, but those working in drama apparently hate it. So far RED has said they are not planning on having this function.
 
Not yet, but if I could ask for two things in the next build it would be:
1. The ability to delete individual clips.
2. Pre-roll
Both would be much appreciated for natural history shooting.
 
Trent Lillehaugen said:
I've been able to reproduce the problem, and we are working on a solution. As a temporary fix change the page on the REDmote (press one of the buttons 5-8) and then change back to the main page (button 4).
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the temp fix doesn't seem to work, at least for me :( it either shows '-.-' and then switches to the numbers, or simply numbers right away. but I believe in you guys! :)
also, same problem with zoom value. please take a look at it, should display in millimeter I believe, but what I'm seeing is 'x1.0'...

ALSO, love that you allow to switch between % and time remaining for the battery reading. Would love to see the same applied to the mag reading, as in how much left with current settings (change settings and see how much time you have left - awesome!). So many good options, keep 'em coming!
 
Maybe if the delete option would have to be activated first, buried deep down in the menu for it to be used. In some sort of "pro-level-sub-menu" The activation could also be password protected so it wouldn't get activated if it's not wanted. And also have the standard double check "sure you want to delete?" feature in there, too. With that, one should be able to use the camera without accidental deletion of files.

Of course it's always safer to not offer it at all, but that doesn't eliminate the possibility of losing data along the way (while copying data etc.) so I don't see a real plus in not offering it at all. Being able to format the mag in camera offers an even higher risk of losing data. People make mistakes. It doesn't really matter when or where ;)

Maybe also instead of deleting they could be tagged as "delete when necessary" so they would stay as long as possible on the card until the space is needed. Then they get deleted by date/time. That would make it possible to recover them for a while.
 
Maybe also instead of deleting they could be tagged as "delete when necessary" so they would stay as long as possible on the card until the space is needed. Then they get deleted by date/time. That would make it possible to recover them for a while.
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Excellent idea. Delete by date and time the selected files when there is less 15% of free space. If not, keep the file metatagged as "To be Deleted", additionnaly to a delete now function.

It would be two nice features, not only for wild life cinematography but for web content, non slated false take etc..
 
DP Marcus Larsson SE said:
The 5k HD is not for the Scarlet?
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why should there? as the 5K is not recording at real motion speed for scarlet, this doesn't make much sense!?
that said, if the 5K WS would enable us to record @ 24fps this would be great to have!
 
Carmine Scalzi said:
mmm... come on, guys, smells like Epic protecting politics).
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Really??? IMO, Scarlet already does more than it should for the $$$. There's a reason that Epic costs 3 times what a Scarlet does. You're looking a gift horse in the mouth.
 

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Why shouldn't Red protect Epic? It's their product. I own the Scarlet and I realize how foolish it would be for Red to enable 24 fps at 5K in it, unless or until the Epic surpasses it significantly, perhaps with the new chip.

On topic, I too would really prefer the remaining card recording capacity to be expressed in time instead of percentage. Especially now, as this firmware version causes the camera to lock-up in record mode when the card is filled. Happens every time.
 
Brant Hadfield said:
Why shouldn't Red protect Epic? It's their product. I own the Scarlet and I realize how foolish it would be for Red to enable 24 fps at 5K in it, unless or until the Epic surpasses it significantly, perhaps with the new chip.
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I'm with you on that, people should be realistic and don't expect RED to change those boundaries so dramatically, especially not for free. As much as i wanted 3k with 120fps and 5k with 24fps on Scarlet 2/3 and EPIC-S/Scarlet-S35, i'm happy with the compromise that has been made between these two concepts. I think its even too harsh to call Scarlet-X a compromise. Hey we're talking about the 2nd best digital cinema camera here... :)

That being said, i understand the feelings and why people keep asking for it, 5k@24 and 3k@120 sounded so damn sexy, those specs are branded in our brains, because we've been talking/reading about them for years. I would love to have full motion @ 5k too, no question, i just don't expect it to come for free. Yes i would pay for such a upgrade. For me it's not just about the resolution, i want the lesser crop-factor and DSMC @ 5k (currently i still have to choose between 5k stills and 4k-motion).

I understand why RED is protecting EPIC (but i don't think the limits are only there for EPIC's protection), so if i could make a more realistic wish, i would ask for more flexibility within the boundaries. Why not add stuff like 5k HD (and/or WS) with 15-18 fps and maybe 4.5k and 3.5k with whatever is possible... Trading compression for more fps is another attempt to push the limits just a bit. ;)

I think EPIC already surpasses Scarlet-X significantly, it can shoot 96fps @ 5k!. ;) With the growing usage of HFR for cinema this will get more weight, maybe enough to allow full-res-motion with standard-framerates on Dragonized Scarlet-Xs.

P.S.: Thank you RED for making 1k actually 1280 and not 1024 as expected.
 
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I really like the 89fps at 1280x720 mode. It looks quite nice, actually. 1280x720 on the Scarlet actually looks a lot better than 1920x1080 on a DSLR in my opinion and obviously is a lot more flexible to work with when grading. I was expecting the 1K mode to be 1024 which really would not have been very useful to me so having access to really great slow motion at 1280x720 for web content is a lovely surprise. You can shoot 4K HD for real time content and drop resolution as necessary for higher frame rates or HDR and do a 1280x720 finish for the web. Nice!
 
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