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Best cinematic lenses for Scarlet X

Ive read 11 pages of this form and rarely anyone has made the case as to what cine lens is best, I feel like more photo lenses were tossed in this conversation... anyone have suggestions on red pro primes over zeiss cp2? currently debating on making a purchase...
 
Roberto Lequeux said:
You could go into a large pro store with your camera and try them on if you are in LA
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What pro stores do you recommended in LA that let you try their lens on your epic camera?
 
I'm on the look out for a set of close to cinema lenses- I can't really afford real cine lenses.. the cheapest cp2's are too slow, the new CP2 speeds are too expensive, so I have been looking at rehoused zfs.
sure they will breath a little, but this is a reasonably small issue with me.

so i have found these-

http://store.pstechnik.de/all-products/35digital-lenses/

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has anyone got any information on these? PS technic is a quality brand as far as I know.





http://www.lockcircle.com/primecircle_xt_lenses/

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and there are these- Look pretty good, but again, I can't really find any real information on them.






and from china (i think) the lens on the left below-

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but these are too close a rip off of cp2s- when they really don't need to be- they could have just been bold and made their own design- and it would be a great solution. I find it funny that they think a "CP2" looking mod is somehow more desirable... but even if these are good- i couldn't see my investment in lenses keeping its value like the prime-circle or ps-tecknic.

has anyone here see or used any of these?

cheers paul
 
The glass in the CP.2 is the same as in the ZF lenses.

If you are on that tight a budget look in the for sale forum, there are ZF lenses with Duclos cine mods for sale. Save some money and but a good used set.
 
David W. Jones said:
The glass in the CP.2 is the same as in the ZF lenses.

If you are on that tight a budget look in the for sale forum, there are ZF lenses with Duclos cine mods for sale. Save some money and but a good used set.
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Not correct. I believe there was already some discussion about this either in this thread or another one on REDUSER. They're similar, but not "the same" at all.
 
paul ross jones said:
but these are too close a rip off of cp2s- when they really don't need to be- they could have just been bold and made their own design- and it would be a great solution. I find it funny that they think a "CP2" looking mod is somehow more desirable... but even if these are good- i couldn't see my investment in lenses keeping its value like the prime-circle or ps-tecknic.

has anyone here see or used any of these?

cheers paul
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Most cine lenses will have a similar "look" to them - not sure what makes those a "ripoff" of the CP.2s but okay... :sifone: (god I love that Emoticon!)

In all seriousness though, I do love my CP.2s and while I don't know much about the Prime Circle lenses, I do recall hearing good things about them.
 
Jens Jacob said:
Ive read 11 pages of this form and rarely anyone has made the case as to what cine lens is best, I feel like more photo lenses were tossed in this conversation... anyone have suggestions on red pro primes over zeiss cp2? currently debating on making a purchase...
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As far as RPP vs CP.2 goes, the CP.2's are MUCH lighter which makes a huge difference both for on-set and travel.
 
Joshua Brown said:
As far as RPP vs CP.2 goes, the CP.2's are MUCH lighter which makes a huge difference both for on-set and travel.
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...But i do feel the RPPs are MUCH better optically. (Except maybe the 100mm. Not because the RPP is bad, but the Zeiss makro is spectacular.)

On a "traditional" film set, the RPP weight doesn't matter. For mobile/guerilla style, I'll use a lightweight zoom.
 
Trevor Meeks said:
Not correct. I believe there was already some discussion about this either in this thread or another one on REDUSER. They're similar, but not "the same" at all.
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Trevor, are you sure? I've read and heard time and time again that glass on the ZF.2's is identical to the glass on the CP.2's. Optically they are the same.
 
Trevor Meeks said:
Not correct. I believe there was already some discussion about this either in this thread or another one on REDUSER. They're similar, but not "the same" at all.
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No the glass is the same! I have this straight from Zeiss. Produced in the Cosina plant in Japan, then hand selected and shipped to Germany for assembly into the CP.2 housings.
 
The Prime Circe lenses are just ZF lenses with focus gears and hard fronts installed.

Those Cinematics CT.2 are just ZF lenses with slipcover housings to make them look like CP.2 lenses, held in place with set screws.

The P+S Technik ZF rehoused lenses I demoed had the original Nikon mounts and the focus felt very stiff compared to a Normal lens.
 
David W. Jones said:
The Prime Circe lenses are just ZF lenses with focus gears and hard fronts installed.

Those Cinematics CT.2 are just ZF lenses with slipcover housings to make them look like CP.2 lenses, held in place with set screws.

The P+S Technik ZF rehoused lenses I demoed had the original Nikon mounts and the focus felt very stiff compared to a Normal lens.
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yeah, i realise this. but the mods make the lenses far more usable than ZFs and they are far cheaper than CP2s or any real cine lens. the PS and prime circle look a fair bit nicer mod than duclos do- they have a large standard from front diameter as well.

my problem with CP2s after testing them- they are far too slow. maybe the cp2 speeds will be better , but they are expensive.

im not a big fan of the way the zfs "blur" but they seem like the best of an affordable bunch. i would love the look of some cookes, that snap "out of focus"- smooth, but sharp. But there is only one lens i think does close to this - the canon ef 85mm f1.2 , but its only one lens and its a pain in the ass to use.

paul
 
Maik Müller Menendez said:
Rokinon (Samyang/Walimex) has announced Cine-versions of some of their lenses, a 14mm T3.1 and the 24mm and 35mm, both with T1.5. There are pictures at their facebook-site: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rokinon/177519142294012
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What do they say about focus-ring rotation? Having 32pitch gears is all fine and good for follow focus, but I fear without some kind of standardized rotation a focus puller would still have a rough time. Breathing doesn't really bother me, but anything that needlessly hinders an a focus puller's job will ultimately bother me. That is to say, quality aside, I'd dislike paying a premium for glass that is still hard to use (compared to industry standards)... especially with lenses as fast as t1.5... But damn, do I love t1.5/f1.4...
 
Samyang/Rokinon lenses are sharp but I would call the look clinical some may even call them soulless. But what can you expect for the price of a very slow L lens, you can own a suite of fast Samyangs.

So in my book anyway, you're not really paying a premium for these lenses. In fact its pretty hard to argue against owning a set for the dollars & the speed.....and now even harder with de-clicked aperture & focus ring.
 
Mike P. said:
What do they say about focus-ring rotation? Having 32pitch gears is all fine and good for follow focus, but I fear without some kind of standardized rotation a focus puller would still have a rough time.
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I guess we have to wait for some reviews, they didn't post full specs.
 
Maik Müller Menendez said:
I guess we have to wait for some reviews, they didn't post full specs.
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Depending on the country it's released in the lenses go by the name Rokinon...Bower...or Samyang.
Duclos did his cine-mod on a Bower 35mm 1.4 and did a write-up and comparison of it to a Zeiss 35mm 1.4.
I wish I could say the Zeiss blows the Bower out of the water. But the truth is, if I was looking for a high speed, budget 35mm, the Bower is a great option and really makes one wonder why the Zeiss is so much more expensive.
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http://matthewduclos.wordpress.com/...9/rokinons-intro-to-cinema-lenses/4-showdown/

another article on intro. to Rokinon cine lenses
http://matthewduclos.wordpress.com/2012/06/19/rokinons-intro-to-cinema-lenses/
latest announced is the Rokinon 14mm T3.1 cine
http://matthewduclos.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/rokinons-next-cine-lens/
 
In Europe they're sold under Walimex. Also, Rokinon, Polar, Vivitar, Bower, Falcon, Pro-Optic and Opteka, among others.

The Nikon mounts rotate the Nikon way. That isn't a problem if you're mixing with other Nikon lenses like Nikon zooms and Tokina 11-16mm for Nikon.

The Canon mounts rotate the Canon/cine way.

So far the 24mm and 35mm cine are the same size diameter in front ~83mm for a 77mm filter thread.

The 8mm and 14mm are not, but then again they are so wide you can't use a matte box with them. You have to use the petal hood. The 8mm has 180 degree FOV!

The next one that will be released is the 85mm, then hopefully they'll have the 50mm done by then.
 
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