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Battery died during shoot. Any way to recover R3Ds?

Christian Foerster

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Hi,


please don't kill me, I'm just the editor ;)

The crew shot on CF cards and had the battery die on them while shooting. The folder that was written to contains R3Ds but no Proxies (makes sense, they're probably generated after the shot).

They don't open in RedAlert, as I guess the files are corrupted. Is there any way to repair the R3Ds that allows them to open?

I told them not to be too optimistic, but thought I'd ask here to be sure.


Thanks for your help,
Christian
 
Sorry Red but this camera is very frustrating
 
I don't see how a battery dying during a shot has anything to do with a camera being frustrating. It's not like there isn't a very acurate percentage meeter that tells you precisely how much battery life you have left, and warns you when battery power is low. If there are other things that bug you about the camera thats fine, but I guarantee you, any file based storage system will have issues if power is lost during the write process.
Christian, you should contact the red team directly. You are not the first person to have this happen, and I do believe there have been succesful recoveries in the past.
 
GDV, not to be rude or anything, but a film workflow is hardly 100% free of glitches. Each medium has its pros and cons. Once one accepts that, life is more Zen....
 
Christian Foerster said:
Hi,


please don't kill me, I'm just the editor ;)

The crew shot on CF cards and had the battery die on them while shooting. The folder that was written to contains R3Ds but no Proxies (makes sense, they're probably generated after the shot).

They don't open in RedAlert, as I guess the files are corrupted. Is there any way to repair the R3Ds that allows them to open?

I told them not to be too optimistic, but thought I'd ask here to be sure.


Thanks for your help,
Christian
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Hey Christian,

Sorry to hear that. From my experience, that data is usually lost. Dependent on how much was laid down though, one of the red team guys may be able to recover the data, as mentioned by a previous poster but it sounds like you've played your cards right by managing production's expectations. Email one of the guys on the bomb squad, maybe they can help you out.

Best-
TF
 
So let me get this. They were shooting with the camera. Camera shuts down because battery runs out, they pull the cards, copy to hard drive and never actually check to make sure they got the shot? Sounds like someone is in need of a DIT on set. Sorry you have to go through this as the editor.
 
If they can get the original card back to you, we can attempt to recover the shot.

Common practice is to take that piece of media out of rotation when something like that happens so it can be looked at properly and confirmed that everything is good.
 
Seriously, though. The clip on CF should be recoverable in over 90% of cases. If you like, I can try to open it in a read-only mode and see if the file can be recovered. Contact me by email (on my website).
 
3000 ft. of Super 16 get undercooked by 10 degrees during development. Highlights of resulting footage read 20 units on a waveform during transfer and are completely green; everything else is black. Interesting, but unusable. I'm sure many people have such experiences; this one was completely out of my control. With Red and using best practices, you would know right there on set if there was a problem.

Good luck Christian! I feel your pain . . . .

Matthew Verkler
 
Pawel Achtel said:
Shot on film, opened the can in daylight. Any chance to recover the images? :rofl:
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25 years on film had maybe two loaders opening the magazine lid by mistake. The images were fine since the light only got to the edge and didn't pass the perforations into the frame.
 
jdcineaste said:
GDV, not to be rude or anything, but a film workflow is hardly 100% free of glitches. Each medium has its pros and cons. Once one accepts that, life is more Zen....
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you are not rude at all.
I just find too many things in the Red marketing system too frustrating and not right.
Yes batteries die during shot and making mistakes is part of the human nature.
However there is no single camera I know off that doesn't show you the battery voltage (Sony Panasonic Arriflex etc). This is sort of a standard. The only camera I know is the Red One unless you use its own batteries.
I think the way Red One is made (design and manufactured) and marketed doesn't give it a good name. Too many glitches tat I heard off.
The hype around it is based on private users that bought the camera, the RedUser frum which is a genius marketing tool and new unclear and not totally defined terminology like 4K etc (please refer to John Galt letter about marketing pixels).
Anyhow the final image the Red one comes out is quite satisfactory for most people as the the beauty is in the eyes of the watcher....
I just wished all these would have been done in another way ... I am not a marketing guy and it is clear to me that the success of the Red Company derived from its marketing and not from its design, ergonomic or even the image it produce....
OK now 5000 Red one owners come and attack me...
And BTW I have two cameras ... that is why I feel so bad as I have to find all kind of detours to make it wrks fluently during a shooting day
 
Not using Red batteries puts the onus 100% on the camera crew to keep an eye on the battery voltage (even though the camera doesn't display this, most batteries have little LED displays on them)...so if the camera dies mid-shot you're really just asking for it (sorry for the lack of sympathy...but just use Red batteries and you'll have one less headache to worry about). As for the helpful tip of shooting on film instead - that's fantastic...if you're offering to buy the stock :rolleyes:
 
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