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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Avid Symphony 6 Crossgrade

Avid was always notorious to be the last one to support new file/cameras formats, which made me switch to FCP!! Is that still the case?
 
Jean Bernard said:
Avid was always notorious to be the last one to support new file/cameras formats, which made me switch to FCP!! Is that still the case?
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Avid has gone on a mission that past 1-2 years to be as user friendly and relevant as possible. Now with the demise of FCP7, they seem even more focused on adapting and responding to the needs to final cut users that are switching over. Its certainly one of the most flexible and interesting eras for Avid in a long time. I agree with you, for a while they were quite static.
 
Matt Gottshalk said:
Avid is a broadcast platform and all broadcast deliverables are still 1080 and will be for some time.
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That doesn't mean AVID won't open up and embrace 4k. Don't forget, AVID has it's origins in Hollywood, not television. I'm personally crossing my fingers that 4K is front and center in Avid's announcements at NAB.

That being said, you are correct about 1080 and broadcast....that won't change anytime soon AT ALL!
 
Wait, I thought (and please correct me if Im wrong) last years Avid MC 6 press leak was all about 4K in the very near (as in today) future?
We just upgrade to MC 6 thinking this was the case after NAB.
Am I dreaming this?
 
Having spent many years on a Symphony, RT CC was a blessing! And while still a strong product, in today's world it's much to limited. Whether or not you're working in a 2K or 4K environment, RAW is a needed option in 2012. As is the ability to work Log instead of REC709. And many other things that have evolved since Symphony came out. The answer could be as easy as having Symphony & Resolve and bouncing over when needed... That's pretty much what we've been doing w/FCP & Color and apparently will be doing w/Adobe PP & Speedgrade. The sys you don't have to do that in is Smoke. But getting used to Smoke is pretty daunting; I remember many late nights when I was picking it up. Plus editing w/it is cumbersome. Price is probably still the biggest obstacle to many... But, hey, all that may change next week! So to crossgrade to Symphony or not... Hmmm, well, good thing we've got 'til June to decide ;o)
 
Symphony and MC both can work natively with .R3D files. So I'm not sure why you're saying that "RAW is a needed option in 2012." But perhaps I'm missing something.
 
Ben Rojas said:
The answer could be as easy as having Symphony & Resolve and bouncing over when needed... That's pretty much what we've been doing w/FCP & Color and apparently will be doing w/Adobe PP & Speedgrade.
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Baslight plug-in for MC/Symp may take the need for roundtrips out of the equation... if it's RT... if if if.... as others have noted, R3D's run on the timeline

Ben Rojas said:
The sys you don't have to do that in is Smoke. But getting used to Smoke is pretty daunting; I remember many late nights when I was picking it up. Plus editing w/it is cumbersome.
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Smacks disfunctional cc has not been changed, same old, same old, no RT, render everything, to work with masks means losing context... you need roundtripping there more than Symp...
 
Job, Dermot any timetable on release of the Baselight plugin? I've been very impressed with what they were able to do with FCP. For someone who is editing and wants to do the first round of CC, eventually handing off to a Baselight system with a professional colorist this is a very cool workflow. And for those jobs where the editor has to do the CC themselves, what a great tool to have right inside the NLE. I love Resolve, but have to admit that there are times when roundtripping is not possible due to time and budget. So big questions for me.

- When does it ship?
- Will price still be $999
- Are there any hardware requirements, such as specific GFX cards or video I/O?
- Does it work just like the FCP plugin or is it more like Boris Avid FX?
- Does it have window tracking?
- Is it a realtime effect or does everything have to be rendered?
- How much overall horsepower is needed? For example, do you need latest and greatest CPU hardware?

Thanks guys!
 
Steve Sherrick said:
Job, Dermot any timetable on release of the Baselight plugin? I've been very impressed with what they were able to do with FCP. For someone who is editing and wants to do the first round of CC, eventually handing off to a Baselight system with a professional colorist this is a very cool workflow. And for those jobs where the editor has to do the CC themselves, what a great tool to have right inside the NLE. I love Resolve, but have to admit that there are times when roundtripping is not possible due to time and budget. So big questions for me.

- When does it ship?
- Will price still be $999
- Are there any hardware requirements, such as specific GFX cards or video I/O?
- Does it work just like the FCP plugin or is it more like Boris Avid FX?
- Does it have window tracking?
- Is it a realtime effect or does everything have to be rendered?
- How much overall horsepower is needed? For example, do you need latest and greatest CPU hardware?

Thanks guys!
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Be very interested to find out these answers as well. We have an Avid Symphony and the prospect of having baselight incorporated in sounds great.
 
Steve Sherrick said:
any timetable on release of the Baselight plugin?
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Mac first, Win to follow, no date set yet.
Here's a FAQ.
That's pretty much all I know. There may be some info dripping in from the backrooms at NAB.

From Twitter:
"plugin for avid is GPU enabled! (1 GPU only)"
"just looking at demo but it's very #baselight like. Like the #fcp version"
 
Job ter Burg said:
Mac first, Win to follow, no date set yet.
Here's a FAQ.
That's pretty much all I know. There may be some info dripping in from the backrooms at NAB.

From Twitter:
"plugin for avid is GPU enabled! (1 GPU only)"
"just looking at demo but it's very #baselight like. Like the #fcp version"
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Thanks Job! Sounds like this is going to be great.
 
The demo I saw looked really good, and having the ability to share the "grade" with both on set and full base light makes it a very flexible and high quality tool for managing the look from capture to finish. One of the few things remaining is the ability to output to a grading monitor or set of external scopes which is being worked on. For now, the viewer is the screen you're working on. But the demo I saw, it was very responsive and of course the amount of control you have is great... finally in Media Composer! ;)

I am sure other vendors will look to the same AVX plug-in to offer similar functionality, but for $995 it's a no-brainer. How many here would buy this rather than the crossgrade to a Symphony for the same money? Makes for an interesting discussion.

Michael
 
Michael, I like having relational CC in Symphony, which I use (almost exclusively) for offline editing (where relational CC makes a lot of sense when matching setups). And the FCP crossgrade price is great. So is the offer for those still on Xpress Pro or older MC's. It's pretty painful for those who upgraded to MC6 and BCC just before NAB.

I'm pretty worried how ugly things will turn when FCP and XpressPro crossgraders move to Symphony, and then may very well find themselves being charged way more than they were used to for upgrades and such (although Symph upgrade pricing has gone in many different directions and it is currently equal to MC).

Other than that, Symphony has lost its right to exist as a separate product for quite some time. It's MC plus 1.5 features. So it makes me wonder: is this the last bit of juice squeezed from Symphony or will Avid actually add significant features to Symphony that will give it a premium value.... Time will tell.

Happy to own a Symph, not going to move all my licenses to Symph though.
 
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