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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

August is nigh - anyone able to sleep?

While I can't express how impressed I am with what RED's been doing, I just can't help but feeling let down. With all the freedom to announce delivery dates, why must they underestimate timeframes? I have no problem with a release a few months from now (or even later), but I wouldn't have any reason to feel let down if they hadn't already gotten my hopes up for an announcement of some sort by August.

I love what you guys are doing, but wish you'd be more conservative in your declarations. The "dates subject to change" disclaimer is fine, but why use it as a crutch at all?
 
Jannard said:
We have said that much of the delivery dates rely on a successful ASIC spin. We have also indicated that we are not going to rush to release given market conditions and the overwhelming opinion of our customers to put out a finished product and not a prototype. I wouldn't expect any type of update for a couple of months. The schedule should be more clear by then...

Jim
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Thank you so much Jim, that's all I needed to hear :)
 
Jannard said:
We have said that much of the delivery dates rely on a successful ASIC spin. We have also indicated that we are not going to rush to release given market conditions and the overwhelming opinion of our customers to put out a finished product and not a prototype. I wouldn't expect any type of update for a couple of months. The schedule should be more clear by then...

Jim
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Thank you for the update.
 
Jannard said:
I wouldn't expect any type of update for a couple of months. The schedule should be more clear by then...

Jim
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Sadly, at this point, I have resigned myself to the fact that I will not have the digital cinema I need for my current project until next year, at the soonest. I would love to have one now, but the technology is not there. Red is taking its time, and unless Canon swoops in with a killer prosumer FF35 camera that can overcrank, I have a feeling I will be waiting for a long time for cinema camera technology to catch up to still camera/timelapse shooting capabilities. :closedeyes:

I do appreciate this information, though, Jim. Some information is better than none. Even just little scraps like this can be enough to keep us involved.
 
Ian B. Johnson said:
While I can't express how impressed I am with what RED's been doing, I just can't help but feeling let down. With all the freedom to announce delivery dates, why must they underestimate timeframes? I have no problem with a release a few months from now (or even later), but I wouldn't have any reason to feel let down if they hadn't already gotten my hopes up for an announcement of some sort by August.

I love what you guys are doing, but wish you'd be more conservative in your declarations. The "dates subject to change" disclaimer is fine, but why use it as a crutch at all?
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No company I am aware of has been able to accurately predict major product releases half a year or more in advance. At the same time it is helpful to consumers to have some long range estimates so they can prepare for what is coming. Believe me, a lot of people would be pissed if they'd just purchased a Sony F35 and suddenly RED announced the S35 Epic was shipping in a week.

I remember the HVX200 was delayed quite awhile and that was from one of the major camera companies.

I am prepared for the DSMC system to come sometime within the next 12 months and that is way better then thinking RED has nothing new coming down the pipe.
 
Ah well. Back to fondling lenses for which I have no camera. :rolleyes5:
May pick up a G1 and a c-mount adapter just to shoot some vintage lens tests with in the meantime.
 
Good idea David. Thanks Jim for the update, I suppose we can stop hassling you (for now).
 
Justin O'Neill said:
No company I am aware of has been able to accurately predict major product releases half a year or more in advance. At the same time it is helpful to consumers to have some long range estimates so they can prepare for what is coming. Believe me, a lot of people would be pissed if they'd just purchased a Sony F35 and suddenly RED announced the S35 Epic was shipping in a week.

I remember the HVX200 was delayed quite awhile and that was from one of the major camera companies.

I am prepared for the DSMC system to come sometime within the next 12 months and that is way better then thinking RED has nothing new coming down the pipe.
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I'm not saying no announcements- just more conservative ones. Who could complain about getting the Scarlet 2 months BEFORE they were announced to be released rather than two months after?
 
Ian B. Johnson said:
While I can't express how impressed I am with what RED's been doing, I just can't help but feeling let down. With all the freedom to announce delivery dates, why must they underestimate timeframes? I have no problem with a release a few months from now (or even later), but I wouldn't have any reason to feel let down if they hadn't already gotten my hopes up for an announcement of some sort by August.

I love what you guys are doing, but wish you'd be more conservative in your declarations. The "dates subject to change" disclaimer is fine, but why use it as a crutch at all?
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was there really not a seed of doubt in your mind. Jim had previously stated that they were not going to be working overtime to meet the previous deadlines because of the state of the market. A lot of people anticipated nothing for as long as a year. I think there was a little ounce of hope RED would release in August and blow us all away, but I would say that we've known for a few months this was not the case. The fact that we are a few months away from an update is good news in itself because now we have a much closer proximity estimation of when we can hear something instead of the original approximations. I for one am still glad that red released the original dates even though they couldn't meet them. It gives a goal and when you have a goal that you work towards it helps to keep things moving faster than just winging it. Even if that goal has to be reevaluated later down the road, it was still a necessary part of the development process. Red did this in the best way possible giving very loose approximations on release dates instead of an actual estimated date or even month, opting to use seasons instead was a good call because it allows for a more general time frame while also keeping this "everything changes" mentality present in the mix.
 
I have lots of money to try to save anyways... so, no worries from me :) Just hoping to be able to afford one when they come...

later,
jason
 
AAAHHHHH Ian welcome to the world of RED. I just received my Primes after almost two years of waiting. BUT i sure am glad I didn't get an older set of zeiss regular speeds . We also waited more than a year for the camera. I waited a year and a half for my follow focus, 5 months for my TIFFEN IRND's because they were being developed, a year for my RED-ROCK matte-box. you get the idea . So just get used to it ,RED has heard it all before and not to sound crotchety but it just gets boring guys. When they finally announce you WILL know. until then keep shooting RAW stills, maybe rent a basic redone package for a weekend and then learn all you can about post with your footage. The EPIC/ SCARLET will be here around years end and who knows exactly what it will be other than kick ass.
 
Ian B. Johnson said:
Who could complain about getting the Scarlet 2 months BEFORE they were announced to be released rather than two months after?
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Me. My funds devoted to scarlet come and go. If suddenly they shipped and I just dropped a few thousand dollars on something else assuming I had a month to rebuild the reserve and then had to scramble to rebuild the cash in time.. I would be quite annoyed.

Jim are the Monstro cameras moving back relative to the MysteriumX cameras? Or do delays in Mysterium not necessarily push back Monstro due to application of lessons and development? Or is the opposite true and you expect Monstro to be even slower than previously thought? 2 Months on top of the 2 month Mysterium delay?
 
Frank Martin said:
The EPIC/ SCARLET will be here around years end and who knows exactly what it will be other than kick ass.
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It's my great hope also, that in future I dont have to change accessories to suit new cameras, but simply purchase a new brain once every 3-4 years as tech improvements are made. Im not chasing "the greatest thing today", more over I want longevity from my investments. Then if i get decent lenses today, and look after them, they should last me as long as I need them to. Rockin.
 
now we're getting news greedy...I doubt an answer will come before October
I need to take long, deep breaths...I am hoping the "cinema" model is out before 2010
 
Roberto Lequeux said:
Jim, does this mean that we would be wise to expect a delivery of the first batch in the last quarter of 2009?
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It sounds to me like Jim himself can't predict when Scarlet will ship because so much depends on how the ASICs turn out.

Jannard said:
We have said that much of the delivery dates rely on a successful ASIC spin.

Jim
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Jannard said:
4. The new releases are based on ASICs. Very complicated ASICs. Keep your fingers crossed that they actually work. We should know pretty soon.

Jim
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