Audio recorded in camera for red one

[Marcel Mulsoff]

Hi,

I am looking the best affordable way to record sound in camera with an acceptable quality, I just did some test with wireless lavaliers and they are ok but could be better.
I am thinking now to add a JuicedLink preamp, one from RM series (RM333, RM222, or RM202), the idea is to mount the lavalier receptors and the preamp in the top of the camera so low weight is a must, anyone have ever used a JuicedLink preamp with a Red one?, is there any other low weight solution out there?.

Your feedback guys is appreciated like always!

Regards,
Marcel.

 

[Adam Montville]

I use the BMC366 (now replaced by the BMC388). Yes, it was "designed" for the BlackMagic, but since it has stereo balanced outputs, instead of a single mono unbalanced output, it sounds lovely on the balanced mini XLRs that the Red One has. (Audio 1 + 2) Oddly enough, I didn't play too much with the settings. Never even tried putting the camera on mic to see what would happen, lol.

I put the camera on Line, and the pre-amp on Mic on max, (all in amp gain enabled as well). This caused max "pre-amp" to be used for audio capture, and no clipping. I would then take that into Adobe Premiere, and gain the audio, and it was as clean as it could be. Amazing. (Rode NTG-2 running off AA battery)

I'm no sound expert, but it sounded better than directly plugging in the mic to other cameras with XLR jacks (DVX100, Sony cams, etc).

 

[Marc Wielage]

I continue to be amazed by people who use a $20,000 camera (OK, $17,000 in the case of the original Red One) and won't spend a couple of thousand dollars on halfway decent audio. Just get an external mixer and recorder and record outside the camera. Stop being so cheap. The audio sections of all of these cameras is horrible -- and this goes for Canon, JVC, Sony, many, many companies beyond Red.

Beautiful pictures with horrible sound still add up to bad movies. Don't skimp on audio.

 

[Marcel Mulsoff]

I use the BMC366 (now replaced by the BMC388). Yes, it was "designed" for the BlackMagic, but since it has stereo balanced outputs, instead of a single mono unbalanced output, it sounds lovely on the balanced mini XLRs that the Red One has. (Audio 1 + 2) Oddly enough, I didn't play too much with the settings. Never even tried putting the camera on mic to see what would happen, lol.

I put the camera on Line, and the pre-amp on Mic on max, (all in amp gain enabled as well). This caused max "pre-amp" to be used for audio capture, and no clipping. I would then take that into Adobe Premiere, and gain the audio, and it was as clean as it could be. Amazing. (Rode NTG-2 running off AA battery)

I'm no sound expert, but it sounded better than directly plugging in the mic to other cameras with XLR jacks (DVX100, Sony cams, etc).

This looks great Adam!, I will check this configuration, thanks for your comment.

 

[Marcel Mulsoff]

I continue to be amazed by people who use a $20,000 camera (OK, $17,000 in the case of the original Red One) and won't spend a couple of thousand dollars on halfway decent audio. Just get an external mixer and recorder and record outside the camera. Stop being so cheap. The audio sections of all of these cameras is horrible -- and this goes for Canon, JVC, Sony, many, many companies beyond Red.

Beautiful pictures with horrible sound still add up to bad movies. Don't skimp on audio.

Marc, I used professional audio recording in my last short with a crew of 3 guys just in this area, and it was clean and good as it should be, but now i am looking to shoot in a different way, which could or not provide me the results I am looking for, anyway it is completely legitimate that filmmakers keep looking for new ways to produce their ideas, and this setting I am looking for has the only purpose to support this idea in my head, probably in my next project I will contact this audio crew again, but it didn`t keep me restricted to explore new ways, every project has its own way to be achieved.

Regards!

 

[jake southard]

usually what i've done is just boomed my Senheiser shotgun mic into a Zoom H6 for external audio. Just so I dont have to worry about messing something up with in-camera audio... i'd love to figure out a good way to be able to straight into the camera too though..

 

[Marc Wielage]

Marc, I used professional audio recording in my last short with a crew of 3 guys just in this area, and it was clean and good as it should be, but now i am looking to shoot in a different way, which could or not provide me the results I am looking for, anyway it is completely legitimate that filmmakers keep looking for new ways to produce their ideas...

What if the new ways suck?

The key problems with sound generally boil down to four things: 1) bad, noisy locations; 2) not getting the microphone(s) in an optimum position for the talent; 3) an inability to ride levels, resulting in dialogue too high or too low; and 4) lousy sound circuitry in the camera, adding more noise and distortion. All of these are fixable at a minimal cost.

Don't overlook the fact that you can rent gear very affordably. I've seen $5000 sound packages routinely go for maybe $150 a weekend, and if $150 is taxing your budget, you've got bigger problems. Affordable audio is possible if you have enough ingenuity, talent, and experience. But plugging a $150 mic into a camera is not the answer.

Again: spending $20,000+ on camera gear and pennies on audio is very, very foolish in my opinion. Great images with horrible sound makes bad movies.

 

[Micheal He]

Yeah, just get a nice condenser (sony, sennheiser, or shure) and record to an external hardrive or similar recording device.