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Arri Rumor

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Tom L said:
We heard all the same arguments about how "people won't be able to tell the difference between 1080p and SD" when HD first started emerging. Guess what? People did see the difference, and are willing to pay for it.
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I would say that the primary reason for the acceptance of HD is the same as the reason for the acceptance of CD's in the late 80's: the manufacturers stopped selling the older technology. Today, the only television you can buy is an HD capable screen. Just because people have bought them doesn't mean they made that purchase because of personal preference. In fact, I would further say that of the homes with HD, many if not most of them are usually watching SD channels because they either don't know there's an HD version of the same channel (much more common than you might think) or they believe that everything is in HD because they have an HD television (also far more common than you might think).
 
M Most said:
No, not really. You never see both images at the same time. When you're seeing the left eye image, the right eye is blanked, on essentially all common projection formats used today. So at any moment in time, you're seeing one 2K image.
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And even if both eyes were shown simultaneously, you'd only have an increase in resolution in distant objects that more or less are in the same position and thus benefit from detail being doubled-over.

Anyway, my own experience watching 3D movies is that the entire notion of sharpness and focus sort of has to be rethought, it's so different an experience. But maybe it's also because I wear eyeglasses and find wearing another pair over my pair is a bit distorting and odd. Rather than make everything sharper, it tends to make everything feel a bit blurred to me -- I feel I am rarely able to focus on fine texture and detail for very long. Also the 3D experience is so distracting from other visual elements.

This is one problem I have with 3D movies, in that I feel they should also look good as 2D movies, but since most of them are being shot on 2/3" HD equipment, the 2D version just looks like a typical 2/3" HD production. I waiting for the 3D movie that has fantastic photography in the 2D version as well.
 
M Most said:
In fact, I would further say that of the homes with HD, many if not most of them are usually watching SD channels because they either don't know there's an HD version of the same channel (much more common than you might think) or they believe that everything is in HD because they have an HD television (also far more common than you might think).
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Or they don't care about SD vs. HD. My mother came over to visit during Christmas and she kept watching the SD movie channels on my 47" Sony Bravia 1080P monitor... even when I told her that there were HD versions of the same channels. I even showed her the difference but she just wanted to watch the movies, she didn't care if one version was sharper than the other, and ended up back at the SD channels whenever I left the house and came back. (Maybe it's a human tendency to start at the lowest channel numbers and work their way up, and all my HD channels on FIOS start around 500.)
 
Yeah but believe me, there are PLENTY of people who know what HD and 1080p mean. They know what Bluray means. They know why they paid $1,500 for their HDTV. Young people in particular are very attuned to HD. Basically any cheap video camera can shoot HD. As an example, I have watched "1080p" rapidly become one of the most searched-for terms on the Bit Torrent network over the last 2 years. Before that, it was barely ever searched for.
 
David Mullen ASC said:
Or they don't care about SD vs. HD. My mother came over to visit during Christmas and she kept watching the SD movie channels on my 47" Sony Bravia 1080P monitor...
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Ha ha ha, I bought my folks a "widescreen" version of a DVD and they played it on their big 4:3 TV. It was no good for them, they wanted to see "the whole thing" I told them they are looking at it the way it was supposed to be, the way they shot it, the vision of the Director and Dp, like in the theater, I even drew pictures..... Because they had black bars top and bottom, they felt ripped off.

Some poeple don't over think it like we do.
 
Regarding the Arri, I heard they are supposed to be getting 12 stops of latitude! I hope Epic does the same!

I just lost a job on my Reds because another DP convinced the producer the F35 has better latitude ;(
 
Rich Schaefer said:
I just lost a job on my Reds because another DP convinced the producer the F35 has better latitude ;(
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Well that really sucks. I'm sorry to hear that.

There must be a lesson in there for us though. Thanks for sharing.
 
Tom L said:
As an example, I have watched "1080p" rapidly become one of the most searched-for terms on the Bit Torrent network over the last 2 years. Before that, it was barely ever searched for.
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So if more and more people are downloading hd stuff for free, why would producers think it wise to spend more money post producing on 4 k ?
 
Rich Schaefer said:
Regarding the Arri, I heard they are supposed to be getting 12 stops of latitude! I hope Epic does the same!

I just lost a job on my Reds because another DP convinced the producer the F35 has better latitude ;(
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Hi,

The F35 does have better latitude than RED One. The new Arri has more DR than the F35. Some people want & will pay for extra for quality, 35mm is still used in high end production.

Stephen
 
Mike Gross said:
Do you know what native color temperature the D21 is?
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Tests show little difference between 3200 & 5600, the camera is a stop slower than the competition so possibly there is some blue filtering going on.
 
Stuart English said:
Interesting comment. At least my experience the transition from analog transmission to CRT displays to digital transmission to LCD displays resulted in substantially WORSE quality standard definition quality.

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It's true it does depend on how many bits/sec your network or cable provider are prepared to budget for each program.

A friend of mine has a piece of freeware that you can run on a computer using one of those USB stick HDTV things, that allows you to monitor how many bits per second each digital channel has allocated to it.

Some of them are frighteningly low, just about MPEG1 quality.
 
M Most said:
I would say that the primary reason for the acceptance of HD is the same as the reason for the acceptance of CD's in the late 80's: the manufacturers stopped selling the older technology. .
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That, plus CDs are compact and durable, you get over an hour continuous playing time, there's no stylus to clean or replace, remote controls are easy to implement etc etc

The fact that for a long time the bulk of CD releases were simply re-issues of old analog recording says it all. For most people the higher fidelity was seen as a bonus, not the main reason for changing to the CD format.

A huge segment of the listening population now listen to shit quality MP3s through crappy earphones; just goes to show what you get when you let the general public "design with their feet" :sarcasm:
 
Steve G said:
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Stephen Williams said:
Hi,

I have no idea if he is agreeing with me or not!

Stephen
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Steve G said:
Hi Stephen.

I also have absolutely no idea !!

Does anyone else ?
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Don't worry guys I agree with both of you.

Irmeli R said:
ever tried typing in a straight jacket with your nose? it's hard! :D
gosh, i can't escape him even when he's on my ignore list because others quote his entire posts.
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Actually I wrote that before in a little bit tricky way just to drive crazy Irmeli R.:001_wub: :biggrinjester: :rofl:
 
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