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Arri Alexa and Mysterium-X...

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Carsten Fenstermacher said:
$70k for the 1080P version
$100k for the one that can do the raw (what resolutions?)
$140k for the one that can do anamorphic and OVF
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Toady I just have a lot of fun grading R1-M-X Reel R3D offered by Jarred Land here.

With RED everything is open, easy, affordable and with a beautiful 4K images.

Also Arri is still "blowing a hot air" with its 1080P footage and about Alexa's pricing no more comment...


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Having fun with grading R3Ds of R1-M-X reel in 4K realtime on Oscar's Sunday, March 7, 2010 in my home studio (shot on Canon 7D, ISO 1600, shutter 1/60, lens Nikon 17-35mm zoom @ f/2.8 on 17mm).

Thank you RED.
 
"Blowing Hot Air" for me in this case it means that they want to sell to the masses a sort of "re-designed" D-21 for such a high prices.

Mostly and surely you don't get a high volume production with that pricing policy.

I'm just curious if they make any profit out of it in the case to "cover" Alexa's R&D costs.

Also the first customers getting just HD 1080P, 60 FPS camera...

Don't forget that Phantom HD Gold would cost you $117,500.00 but you get Up to 1000 frames-per-second at 2K and 1080p.

My 2 Austrian Schillings...
 
Hehe, Sanjin, admit that you put in the fresh cup of esspresso on purpose! :)
 
I predict a lot more silly Red vs. ARRI posturing on this site no matter how hard reasonable people try to intervene...

It's a specious argument to judge market success by sales volume rather than profitability and then decide ARRI will be a failure compared to RED because RED cameras cost less and will naturally sell more.

There is room in the market for at least two different camera manufacturers after all and customers are not some monolithic group with identical needs and similar spending limits.
 
David Mullen ASC said:
I predict a lot more silly Red vs. ARRI posturing on this site no matter how hard reasonable people try to intervene...

It's a specious argument to judge market success by sales volume rather than profitability and then decide ARRI will be a failure compared to RED because RED cameras cost less and will naturally sell more.

There is room in the market for at least two different camera manufacturers after all and customers are not some monolithic group with identical needs and similar spending limits.
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There is roughly a 60:1 ratio of RedOnes to Arri D21s in Norway

The D 21 is pretty much fullbooked
I guess that not all the RED owners can say the same.

Now, let's talk ROI... -:)

Anyhow.

The Alexas will be splendid, I expect no less from Arri.

So will Epic.

The philosophy of the cameras seems to slightly differ.

To me it is still simple.

I can have the one and not the other.

For others, that will not be the case.
 
David Mullen ASC said:
I predict a lot more silly Red vs. ARRI posturing on this site no matter how hard reasonable people try to intervene...

It's a specious argument to judge market success by sales volume rather than profitability and then decide ARRI will be a failure compared to RED because RED cameras cost less and will naturally sell more.

There is room in the market for at least two different camera manufacturers after all and customers are not some monolithic group with identical needs and similar spending limits.
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Why somebody should intervene on this sort of thinking that doesn't heart or insult anybody, neither RED nor Arri.

Also I could describe that something is "silly" only if it is connected with a sort of "censorship"

that all the time is trying to keep your mind in a frame of its own and strictly controlled size of "brain washing" policy.


All it was a talk about spending money for equipment and some comparisons between different cameras and brands.

It can raise the following questions:

Do you get what you pay for?

Do you get less or do you get even more for the same price from other brand?

Do you get more for even a lower price from another brand?

How this brand can justify the high price...?

Etc,...

I can't find anything "silly" on those questions?

Just a normal customer's FREE thinking...
 
I don't think that DoPs on "normal" budgets need to ask themselves those questions. They ask themselves, "what camera fits the project" - not "what camera can I afford, what camera gives me the most bang for the buck" etc. - but David has written about that a lot already, and people still don't rethink.
 
XiaoSu Han said:
I don't think that DoPs on "normal" budgets need to ask themselves those questions. They ask themselves, "what camera fits the project" - not "what camera can I afford, what camera gives me the most bang for the buck" etc. - but David has written about that a lot already, and people still don't rethink.
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I think you're spot on.

Then there's the group who wants to own their cam, for different reasons.
They didn't have many cool choices before RED.
 
XiaoSu Han said:
I don't think that DoPs on "normal" budgets need to ask themselves those questions. They ask themselves, "what camera fits the project" - not "what camera can I afford, what camera gives me the most bang for the buck" etc. - but David has written about that a lot already, and people still don't rethink.
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Per definition:

“A cinematographer is a person with technical expertise who manipulates light to transfer visual information

by the use of a camera into aesthetic moving images on motion picture film or electronic recording systems.”

LINK>>>

That said he/she thinks about everything or every step that can be involved in a camera decision making and image acquisition creative process during a movie production.

Also there is one camera called RED that can perfectly fits in many projects, with a low or high budgets.


Felix K. said:
Hehe, Sanjin, admit that you put in the fresh cup of esspresso on purpose! :)
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Patrick Tresch said:
Nespresso should hire Sanjin instead of George Clooney!

Pat
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Btw, George Clooney plays George Clooney (that was paid by Nestlé/Nespresso) on a street advertising build-boards in my

upcoming short movie that would (probably) take part of CAN-DO-INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL and COMPETITION (DSLRs shots only).

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When George Clooney plays George Clooney than it was (mostly) paid by Nestlé/Nespresso (shot on 7D).
 
It's a bit surreal when someone makes the argument that believing that there are multiple choices out there and being open to trying different products is a sign of close-mindedness and believing that Red is the only choice is a sign of open-mindedness! What sort of backwards thinking is that?
 
David Mullen ASC said:
It's a bit surreal when someone makes the argument that believing that there are multiple choices out there and being open to trying different products is a sign of close-mindedness and believing that Red is the only choice is a sign of open-mindedness! What sort of backwards thinking is that?
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Reduserism?

Sanjinism?

Fanzineism?

Nontesterism?

Newlysavouredism?

Fetishism?

Tunnelsightism?

Have-the-tool-you-need-and-therefore-deduct-that-that's-the-only-too-needed-ever-for-anyone-under-all-circumstances-ism?


:closedeyes:
 
David Mullen ASC said:
It's a bit surreal when someone makes the argument that believing that there are multiple choices out there and being open to trying different products is a sign of close-mindedness and believing that Red is the only choice is a sign of open-mindedness! What sort of backwards thinking is that?
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1. Multiple choices are great.
2. Being open to trying different products is certainly not close-mindedness.
3. There are a lot of powerful players in this industry that aren't going to just lay down the future to RED without a fight.
4. Tides can turn, look at Yahoo and Google or Quark and InDesign.
5. Some products though naturally become the de-facto standard like Photoshop or the iPhone because of market volume and patent litigation.
6. There will always be a market for higher-priced products whether those are actually better or not because lots of people enjoy the prestige and customer service that comes with paying a premium. Therefore, trying to steer someone away from Arri is a lot like trying to steer someone away from buying jewelry at the mall. Sure they have a good point, but that's not the point.

-michael zaletel
 
In a effort to balance the perceived skew:

The dynamic range test chart is not an evil corporate tool designed to steal secrets and detract from other cameras performance. Companies like Arri already have vast investments in personnel and equipment aimed at these subjects. There are few other sources as qualified to create such an item and methodology. I look forward to using it.

The article:

I find that article to be operating from dated and circumstantial information. Furthermore I feel that, as real digestible information goes, they delivered nothing of substance and only provided limp talking points for the cinema - technic addicted (like you reading this) to debated ad nauseam with out quantifiable proof past, "that guy said it made okay images at that iso."

These two cameras. Well not these two, the DSMC line and the Alexa line are the next gen of digital motion imaging. They are both very exciting camera systems that promise to make beautiful images (which is the primary job of a camera) the likes of which have not be captured before with and digital system ever.

Now is truly a fascinating and intriguing time to be in the camera business. Take it as a blessing or a curse, but take it none the less. There are now options at almost any level or budget for fantastic tools. Which only means, you now have no excuse for crap images.
 
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