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Are Red And Apple In Bed?

Well, like all rumors, we won't know for sure until we see it.

So far on the Apple-related rumors we've got:

Final Cut Specific

- 2K and 4K native support
- Higher NLE price
- Better color correction tools
- New interface

Hardware

- New displays
- Dual quad core macs (8 cores total)

Software

- New iLife version
- New compositing application a'la Shake

Anything else?
 
My gut understanding was that the Shake successor would be longer in the oven, that it wouldn't be visible so soon - assuming they shut down support/dev on Shake to concentrate on getting new version out, I'da thunk a preview at NAB at best with IBC-ish ship date, or IBC announce/ship.

No solid intel on that, just a guess.

Anyway, NAB is going to be very, VERY interesting this year!!!

: )

I'll DEFINITELY be there.
 
Keep in mind, Apple doesn't necessarily need to explicitly support REDCODE. All they have to do is move FCP to a more modern engine, which doesn't impose hard limits on what codecs and resolutions support real-time, etc. Motion already (mostly) works like this. Apple's long-term goal is probably to have FCP, Motion, the Shake replacement, etc. all based around the basic same GPU-based engine, with the only limitations being those imposed by the physical capabilities of your hardware.

Whether FCP will get such a major overhaul at NAB this summer, I obviously can't say, but I'd give given it a better than even chance (for the announcement; release might come later). If Apple does that, and if we really get ZFS on Leopard, wrangling Red footage on the Mac is going to be a breeze.
 
rgdfilmsRED said:
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Lol, wow, Jim's wife might be upset, oh well, he can tell her it's necessary for the future of cinema
 
As much as I'd like to believe, I don't think the NAB / FCP will have 2k/4k or that Shakes replacement will be ready. however, I do expect a significant upgrade in FC studio and maybe by the end of the year we'll get all the other stuff. Great time to be an image maker !
Aloha
-A
 
Oh, Lord...

Oh, Lord...

...Please forgive me.

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rgdfilmsRED said:
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By the picture Steve and Jim look like PC gay couple. Look at the keyboards. But than you can say today's Mac can boot Windows anyway.
 
Policar said:
The one thing Avid has that Apple doesn't is a super high end product (Media Composer) that makes all its other products seem more professional by association. Apple has tried hard with its PR to make Final Cut Pro look like a bigger deal than it is, but the honest truth is that everyone in Hollywood and almost everyone in major broadcast uses Avid.
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I beg to differ also.
Years ago, yes years...I had cinewave and apple.
We also had 3 avid suits. My apple with cinewave did REALTIME chroma key editing DVCPRO 50...our Avids couldnt do that.

Also, hollywood...what about discreet? Lets throw out big names, high prices and a system better than avid...but to what degree, those are old arguments.

Final Cut is a great program, and it speaks for itself, its the defacto to have.
Im sure they will get 4k in the program which will get people to want to buy a 4k camera...from Red.

Peace

Dalen
 
Fair point about discreet, but Apple's had a few Walter Murch films (since he's buddy buddy with Apple anyhow), one or two other Hollywood movies, and some indies edited on FCP. Everything else was either Avid or Discreet, and mostly Avid.

And while new Networks are supporting FCP, few of the major ones have more than a couple FCP machines. It seems like Apple's gaining high end marketshare, which is nice, but without a higher end product this will be tough.
 
Policar said:
And while new Networks are supporting FCP, few of the major ones have more than a couple FCP machines. It seems like Apple's gaining high end marketshare, which is nice, but without a higher end product this will be tough.
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The BBC (in the UK) are making a HUGE investment in Final Cut Pro laptops -- I guess they qualify as a major broadcaster...

Ziggx
 
Policar said:
...Apple's had a few Walter Murch films (since he's buddy buddy with Apple anyhow)
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Walter Murch used Final Cut Pro 3 to edit "Cold Mountain" (2003), for which he won an Oscar. He would have used FCP4, but he didn't have time to integrate it into his editing workflow in time to edit the movie.
 
If FCP does go to the 2k/4k realm, it needs to natively support the formats currently considered standards in 2k/4k such as Cineon, DPX, SGI-RGB, TGA, TIFF, in all the various bit depths.

FCP only works with Quicktime and in the 2k/4k realm, no one works in Quicktime or would want to deal with it. Why add extra steps to workflows that's worked for well over a decade.

FCP needs to be as flexible as Shake in terms of image import and export options.
 
I welcome any and all innovation. Both companies do that so it makes sense for like minded folks to gravitate to each other. I've got 3 Avids but the way that company has stood still while FCP has made its gains is a real head scratcher. Avid is doing nothing to integrate 3rd party hardware but has kept on top of new codecs. But unless you want to work in 2K you need a serious and expensive system at the fraction of a brand new FCP system.
 
Yea that's one thing I can't stand about Final Cut is the fact that all video must be dealt with in the Apple Quicktime pacakge - You can ingest any type of still image file or audio file but when it comes to video, everything must orient to Quicktime - take the HVX workflow for example. It would be so much easier if they just incorporated MXF into their workflow instead of having to convert..
 
I agree, Apple needs to open up a bit. They don't need to change anything with their QT workflow, but it would be nice if they also supported some other formats/workflows in there. Native MXF support with metadata functions would be great for HVX or Sony XDCAM guys... I don't see proper 2K/4K support coming via QT either... Like Thomas mentioned, they need to support some of the bigger industry standard formats.
 
One thing no one has mentioned yet is that Adobe is bringing the full Production Studio to Mac in June (according to an interview in the creativecow magazine the new version will be available for PC and Mac). Apple really needs to support 4k because Premiere does, I have a hard time believing that Apple will let Adobe best them, although they've allowed them to in the past. I'm not trying to start a FCP vs. Premiere war, I'm just saying that with the increased competition, we should be seeing some really good things from both Apple and Adobe.
 
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