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Are any of the SanDisk CFs fast enough???

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Hello Guys,

Has anyone had any success with any of the Sandisk CF cards??? If so please specify models.

Thanks,
Prio
 
The SanDisk 300x (45MB/s) eXtreme IV 16GB should be alright
I am looking around to get one to test.
 
Other Cards than RED CF cards do not work

Other Cards than RED CF cards do not work

I know... I have tested a brand under build 17.. the lexar fast 8 gig cards DO work but not a "non-red" 16 gig card (even though it is probably fast enough) It is detected by the software as "non-red" and is not allowed for any shooting over 2k 25fps. I think is a bit selfish for RED to do this as it means the "OWNER" of the camera does not get to decide what Card is fast enough.. and in the case of the 16 gig cards you need to pay $250 Extra for a Red logo to be put on the card.
 
RED 16GB CF cards are made by RED, not by Lexar. They are completely different cards.
 
Lexar, and other non-RED 16GB cards are NOT fast enough. This is not about RED being selfish. The Lexar 300X UDMA 16GB cards do not have the same speed as their 8GB cards. In fact, they probably use the same internal controller and the speed drastically falls off as they access higher capacities. The Lexar 8GB cards are barely fast enough and I have had some issues on occasion with some of them, but never any problems with my RED 8GB cards.

RED 16GB cards are made by RED and by comparison to others on the market, they would be the equivalent of 550X to 600X.
 
Thanks for the info!!!

The reason I asked is that I was having a camera delivered tomorrow without any media and I was in a panic to be hot and heavy with a new cam and no way to record it!!! While I have both 16g & a Red Drive on order I was BO'ed just before shipping. However, At the last minute Justin was able to allocate a drive and I am out of the weeds!!! I was prepared to purchase some 8gig cards for the time being and move them into my DSLR pool when my 16s and/or Red Drive came in.

be well,
P
 
Congrats on the drive. :) But if you do want 8GB cards as a temporary measure until the 16GB cards ship, then get the Lexar cards. I have found they work just great, except I have a few (3 or 4), out of about 15, that will drop frames as they get to be 70% full or so. The camera tells you when the cards screw up, so it hasn't been a big deal -- I just wouldn't use them for critical live-event type stuff where every bit of space will be used and there are not second takes.
 
Cool Jeff!!! I do a allot of extreme "lean & mean" rigs and need stripped down setups with minimal weight. I obviously did not want to have a bunch of RED 8gigs when I have the 16's on order.

In your opinion- Is saving some $$$ on third party (Lexar) 8 giggers the way to go???

Thanks again,
Prio
 
Yes. They're less than half the price and make perfect sense for DSLR use too. I only have 3 or 4 cards that have been problematic and I have them marked with a little 'X' just so I know. And even those marked cards still work just fine for all 2K and 3K modes and only give me troubles in 4K when I have them mostly filled up or over 3.5min in 4K.

So now, when I get new media, I thoroughly test it before putting it into service. For the drives, I offload regularly so I have a continuously evolving backup on set. In some situations where I don't have time to offload or have a DIT helping me out, I will swap out drives so I don't have all the footage in one place and then I offload ASAP when the shoot is over.

I shoot mostly to RED drive, even when going hand-held. There are times when I'd like to lighten the load more, but many times the CF cards just haven't been practical. Typically it's not the short record times, it's that I don't always have enough crew to help and get cards offloaded, so I just don't have enough cards.
 
01. How many Red Drives do you have???
02. How many do you fill in a day ?
03. do you back them up while on set or shooting???
04. How much time does a 8gig card render at 2k???

I agree that shooting 4 min. is a drag... but 14-20min would be great.

I cut my teeth on small P2s several years ago and really do like the offloading process. In fact, I just came back from the Caribbean where I used 32G cards which were a must have for the underwater shooting but other than underwater I was pretty bummed because we did not take the mandatory breather (shot, WB, Focus, framing, etc... confirmation) while offloading.

Thanks in advance for answering my questions.

Cheers,
Prio

Jeff Kilgroe said:
Yes. They're less than half the price and make perfect sense for DSLR use too. I only have 3 or 4 cards that have been problematic and I have them marked with a little 'X' just so I know. And even those marked cards still work just fine for all 2K and 3K modes and only give me troubles in 4K when I have them mostly filled up or over 3.5min in 4K.

So now, when I get new media, I thoroughly test it before putting it into service. For the drives, I offload regularly so I have a continuously evolving backup on set. In some situations where I don't have time to offload or have a DIT helping me out, I will swap out drives so I don't have all the footage in one place and then I offload ASAP when the shoot is over.

I shoot mostly to RED drive, even when going hand-held. There are times when I'd like to lighten the load more, but many times the CF cards just haven't been practical. Typically it's not the short record times, it's that I don't always have enough crew to help and get cards offloaded, so I just don't have enough cards.
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I have 3 drives. How much I fill in a day depends on what I'm shooting. I think the most I've ever shot in a day was about 4 hours of footage, which had 3 drives filled a bit over half way, mostly 4K, some 2K.

Whenever possible, and I do this 98% of the time, the drives are backed up on-set or in the field while shooting. I don't trust hard drives, especially a RAID-0 to hold my only copy of anything for any longer than it has to. I never wipe the drives in the field, I just rotate through them as I shoot to one, I'm offloading another. I rotate drives every so often. For sure between setups, sometimes at other breaks, for sure every 20 minutes or so of shooting.

8GB cards hold almost 16 minutes of 2K @ 24fps in Redcode 28. In REDCODE 36, it's a bit over 10 minutes. I typically only shoot 2K for specific reasons like overcranking. I've found 3K to be a nice in-between for shooting to CF as I can get about 7 minutes on an 8GB card and not have the extreme cropped effect of 2K.
 
Jeff,
Thanks for all the help!!! Is there a Apple workflow primer anywhere??? While I have it pretty much worked out in my mind I would like to confirm it. Can you guide me in the right direction?

Thanks in advance,
Prio

Jeff Kilgroe said:
I have 3 drives. How much I fill in a day depends on what I'm shooting. I think the most I've ever shot in a day was about 4 hours of footage, which had 3 drives filled a bit over half way, mostly 4K, some 2K.

Whenever possible, and I do this 98% of the time, the drives are backed up on-set or in the field while shooting. I don't trust hard drives, especially a RAID-0 to hold my only copy of anything for any longer than it has to. I never wipe the drives in the field, I just rotate through them as I shoot to one, I'm offloading another. I rotate drives every so often. For sure between setups, sometimes at other breaks, for sure every 20 minutes or so of shooting.

8GB cards hold almost 16 minutes of 2K @ 24fps in Redcode 28. In REDCODE 36, it's a bit over 10 minutes. I typically only shoot 2K for specific reasons like overcranking. I've found 3K to be a nice in-between for shooting to CF as I can get about 7 minutes on an 8GB card and not have the extreme cropped effect of 2K.
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Look in the 4K Workflow -> Apple forum area here. All the info is there. I don't have any specific thread or link to an all-inclusive primer. Also the Red Alert area too.

For most of my projects, I'm taking what I shoot through Red Alert and doing a preliminary "one line" CC or grade. Then I batch export the footage via Red Rushes to ProRes HQ. Import and edit with FCP, finish in color.

Other options are available if you need higher quality or DPX output, using Crimson Workflow, GlueTools, etc..
 
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