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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Anyone else notice something special about firmware 3.3.3 for Scarlet....

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SDI out feeds full sensor FOV when look around is enabled.

Samurai is now recording full sensor FOV to 1080p ProRes...not as good as 5k of course, but it definitely makes the Atomos even more useful.....stwooooooooops!

My TV clients are going to love this.

-Dane
 
Does this mean no more black bars when recording with the KiPro Mini or the Sound Devices Pix 240? That would be rad.
 
Clint Lealos said:
Does this mean no more black bars when recording with the KiPro Mini or the Sound Devices Pix 240? That would be rad.
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That's supposed to be the case with this new firmware. But what Dane is saying, above, is that rather than have the 4K area of the sensor be what sends over to the Samurai or the Pix, you get the full field of view of the sensor.

This means you get wider angles form your wide angle lenses, shallower depth of field for the angles you would have had, and an overall more "cinematic" look from the images. Just watch out for vignetting from certain lenses, is the main word of warning.
 
Dane Henry said:
SDI out feeds full sensor FOV when look around is enabled.

Samurai is now recording full sensor FOV to 1080p ProRes...not as good as 5k of course, but it definitely makes the Atomos even more useful.....stwooooooooops!

My TV clients are going to love this.

-Dane
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Do you have examples of this?
 
Just spent some more time testing it out...it is working like a charm, just enable look around with SDI clean output, no blackbars on the samurai (not sure about the other devices) with FOV of the whole sensor...oooh my 19mm leica just got soooooo much better!

Thank You RED!!!

That's the good...

BUT, I'm having serious issues with the Beta Firmware, once I shut down the camera after the 1st time it has started up after the firmware upgrade the camera will no longer start up. I have reflashed the firmware 4 times now with no luck. The camera will not start back up after it's initial start up. :(

I have reflashed the camera with the release firmware which has been rock solid for me. Hoping there is a fix for the newest firmware, I'd love to get using it!

-Dane
 
Nick Pasquariello said:
...and an overall more "cinematic" look from the images.
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FYI, 4k is (22.1x11.7mm) which is the same as Academy-35 (22x12) so it all depends on your definition of "cinematic."
5k is (27.6x14.6mm) which is larger then 3perf-S35 (24.9x14mm).
 
Hey Dane

This is a big deal ! I was actually hanging off on the Samurai until they sorted this out ............now all they need is to have the same file handles as SSD files.

Mmmm maybe I should jump in now as it would be nice to have it for a job @ the end of the month.
 
I was actually hanging off on the Samurai until they sorted this out ............now all they need is to have the same file handles as SSD files.
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That's a recorder issue, the file names are available in the HD-SDI metadata.
 
Dane Henry said:
Seems my camera wasn't liking presets I was loading from previous builds. I went though and recreated all the presets within the new build and the camera is rebooting properly.

-Dane
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Do you mind opening a support ticket and sending in the presets? This sounds like a pretty annoying bug.
 
Clint Lealos said:
Does this mean no more black bars when recording with the KiPro Mini or the Sound Devices Pix 240? That would be rad.
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That was fixed a couple of firmwares ago.
 
What happens when you hit record on the camera? Does the SDI jump back to 4k crop or does it maintain the clean "5k" look around? I'm confused as to how this could work in practice... Too bad you couldn't record 4k or 5k over 3G-SDI (like the C500 or FS700?), because then we'd essentially get access to the full sensor/full resolution recordings.
 
I'd look at the other way Mike. It's one of the few cameras that can record 4K internally without the additional cost of external recorders.

Mike P. said:
What happens when you hit record on the camera? Does the SDI jump back to 4k crop or does it maintain the clean "5k" look around? I'm confused as to how this could work in practice... Too bad you couldn't record 4k or 5k over 3G-SDI (like the C500 or FS700?), because then we'd essentially get access to the full sensor/full resolution recordings.
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Ha, yeah. I obviously prefer internal and REDraw, but it'd cool to be able to get the entire 1.3x 5k sensor supersampled 4k even if you had to record externally. 5k Resolution is awesome, but using the entire FOV of the sensor is more awesome.I still dont know how this could be functional in practice.
 
Well, as long as 1080 ProRes HQ is good enough for you, you should be fine. After all, many folks shoot that on Alexas…
 
Yes, when you hit record the signal out the SDI keeps the look around, which gives you the full FOV of the sensor.

I much prefer shooting RAW, but it's not always up to me, I have already ran in to clients (all have been sports broadcasters...) who would rather shoot other camera systems due to not having the ability to deal with R3D in a timely fashion. I purchased an external recorder for ProRes deliverables (Samurai is soon to be DnxHD as well), I bake in a bit of a look, and the clients have been stoked. I primarily shoot specialty/feature for them not sports coverage, the client doesnt want to shoot on an ENG cam because they want the cinematic look but they also very often have quick turnaround times, it's been awesome to be able to keep them on RED because of the ability to go straight to an editable codec. These are jobs that would have gone to the F3 or similar. I've seen many a producer check out the project we are on and say to the supervising producer "oh, your shooting on RED, this is working for you... huh" :) That producer now sees it as a viable option for them.

-Dane
 
Uli Plank said:
Well, as long as 1080 ProRes HQ is good enough for you, you should be fine. After all, many folks shoot that on Alexas…
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: ) My thinking exactly. I wonder how RED is going to handle this if they release an official ProRes/DNxHD module.

By yeah with regards to Alexa, Scarlet now has a bigger sensor, twice as much supersampling (5k compared to 2.8k to 1080p), and from what I've read, cleaner high ISO performance when "baked in" out the monitor path. Those are three pretty big advantages for projects that are finishing in 1080p. So this kind of recording does have it's place for certain types of shooting/projects... well, until 4k displays saturate the market.
 
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