another filmrecorder...

[Priyesh P.]

http://www.aaton.com/products/post/aatonk/

wonder how many more the market requires...

 

[GlennChan]

Well in the past few years there were several manufacturers who started making color grading systems.

Though I don't see that here since the film recording market will ultimately be dead. (Though it might take a long while.)

 

[Priyesh P.]

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There are recorders from Arri, Imagica, Lasergraphics, Definity, Kinetta and now Aaton...quite a lot...

 

[David Mullen ASC]

As the speed of these recorders increase, the costs can come down, so every facility is looking at these new recorders to see if they have the quality and resolution but work at faster speeds to see if they are worth the cost of replacing their current recorders. And for brand-new facilities, they obviously want to get the fastest recorders that work at the quality level they need for their clients. At a cost they can afford.

We still haven't reached the cost-speed ratio where people doing film-outs can always afford to have multiple printing negatives made for release prints. Most movies still opt to make an IP and IN from which they then make release prints. Since a 35mm IP and IN cost nearly $10,000 each to strike for a feature, you can see how much the costs of a film-out have to fall before it becomes just as cheap to simply record another printing negative -- or cheap enough for the distributor to go for the extra quality over the look of the IP/IN release prints.

 

[Priyesh P.]

As the speed of these recorders increase, the costs can come down, so every facility is looking at these new recorders to see if they have the quality and resolution but work at faster speeds to see if they are worth the cost of replacing their current recorders. And for brand-new facilities, they obviously want to get the fastest recorders that work at the quality level they need for their clients. At a cost they can afford.

We still haven't reached the cost-speed ratio where people doing film-outs can always afford to have multiple printing negatives made for release prints. Most movies still opt to make an IP and IN from which they then make release prints. Since a 35mm IP and IN cost nearly $10,000 each to strike for a feature, you can see how much the costs of a film-out have to fall before it becomes just as cheap to simply record another printing negative -- or cheap enough for the distributor to go for the extra quality over the look of the IP/IN release prints.

Hi David! Yes, that`s a very good point. Unfortuately only very few high budget movies can afford multiple INs.
An utopian (unrealistic) idea could be to have release prints from filmrecorders...just think about the pristine quality the audience of the first couple of screening could have...

 

[Chris Swinbanks]

you haven't heard of Cinevator?
I understand Technicolor LA has just bought a couple of them...

"• With the Direct-to-Print option the image, the sound and the subtitles are printed simultaneously onto positive print film - always in real time."

 

[johncr]

My last feature (Troubled water http://www.flixster.com/video.do?gallery=movieVideos770789756) is done on Cinevator (Super 35, 35mm neg). In Norway, feature budget are rather low (2-3 mill. USD). I have done multiple printing negatives on Cinevator for several films. The first was Factotum, an independent US, starring Matt Dillon in 2005 (http://www.imdb.com/find?s=all&q=factotum&x=0&y=0). I have used The cinevator since the alpha version. I have done several tests up against Arri. (done several features on Arri As well) In My opinion the Cinevator is sharper and of cause absurd fast. I have seen test -hours after last grade in DI - with Dolby sound. They had some LUT problems in the beginning, but my last film is 1:1.
I hope the pricing in LA for Cinevator is not that far fro Norway

 

[Priyesh P.]

you haven't heard of Cinevator?
I understand Technicolor LA has just bought a couple of them...

"• With the Direct-to-Print option the image, the sound and the subtitles are printed simultaneously onto positive print film - always in real time."

Yes, of course I know the Cinevator, I`ve searched it but couldn`t remember that name. Back then it was marketed by "prodigital" or something - together with kinoton`s "filmreader" a highspeed scanner (which seems to have dissolved) and the pro35 adapter from PStechnik.