Anonymus . . . The Movie

[Zeb B]

Keep Trolling Dude.

Have you ever even used an Epic Or Alexa? I work with both practically every week. Spend some time behind the lens or at least next to it, and know what you are talking about before coming in here.

When does knowledgeable become misplaced self righteous snotty . . . right about here

 

[Peter Dmitriyev]

People can go watch the trailers from youtube and see. Yes don't lie.

LOL Brother you're a Canon DSLR owner on a Red digital CINEMA owner. Not many people take you seriously here. Have you ever even USED a Red or Alexa?

 

[Peter Dmitriyev]

And p.s. I thought Drive was a horrible mis-cast movie and LOOKED video-y and awful. I was not a fan of its look nor of the story, sorry that's just me. I know every DP in the industry creamed their pants about that movie but I wasn't impressed.

 

[Zeb B]

And p.s. I thought Drive was a horrible mis-cast movie and LOOKED video-y and awful. I was not a fan of its look nor of the story, sorry that's just me. I know every DP in the industry creamed their pants about that movie but I wasn't impressed.

Thank you and amen

 

[Andrew Rieger]

And p.s. I thought Drive was a horrible mis-cast movie and LOOKED video-y and awful. I was not a fan of its look nor of the story, sorry that's just me. I know every DP in the industry creamed their pants about that movie but I wasn't impressed.

You could not be more wrong. Drive was easily the best film of the year and the casting was perfect. The opening driving scene was one of the best openings in film history.

People need to stop complaining about digital not looking like film. Listen, it's digital, you can make it look close but it will never look 100% like film. If you insist that it looks like film, shoot on film. Digital is the present and film is dead, People need to accept that. 60 years from now, people will be complaining that their hologram movies do not look as good as 8K Red footage, "Ah man you remember the 8K Red, man that stuff was gorgeous." Besides, with digital projection, grain reduction and 4K scanning, film is looking more and more digital if you ask me. I have seen films that use both 35mm and Red and I honestly could not tell because it all looked like it was shot on Red.

The cinematography in Drive was superb and the Alexa did a great job considering that it was filmed to a SONY HDCAM deck since Arriraw was not available at the time. In Time looked great as well. I love the Epic but the Alexa is a great camera as well and with the rumored 4K upgrade, it will be a monster.

 

[Zeb B]

You could not be more wrong. Drive was easily the best film of the year and the casting was perfect. The opening driving scene was one of the best openings in film history.

Joking . . . right? "Best opening in film history" Now I know yawl down there in Texas have a nasty habit of overstatin things a spell . . . but golly jeez hoss . . . even Top Gun's opening blows away this cliche redux. Not to mention: Citizen Kane, Reservoir Dogs, 2001 Space O, Trainspotting . . . oh heck, even Raiders or Jaws.

I thought the cine looked good for an Arri

 

[Christoffer Glans]

I've worked with Alexa, I've graded Alexa footage, I've edited Alexa. It's a superb camera, the images, the ease of use both on set and in post makes it actually a more user friendly camera then any Red. I just don't think 1080p is enough and I don't like being limited to what was shot, I want RAW format and Alexa is very clumsy when it comes to arri-RAW.
So, I prefer Red, but I'm not an idiot, it's a great camera, no one who ever used it could debate otherwise.

As for Anonymous, It might just be a choice of the cinematographer or Roland. In 2012 there are a few really awful looking shots, even though they clearly had the budget to do better. A camera is ALWAYS in the hands of a user and the user has their own view on what is good quality, they may also not be good or don't know how to really use digital cinema cameras.

There are a lot of factors involved, but it's still not the cameras fault because it's a great camera, period.



Then there's the debacle with Arri's involvement in the hacking of Red, but until we know the truth we don't know if Arri stole things and put into the Alexa development.

 

[Dan Kanes]

When does knowledgeable become misplaced self righteous snotty . . . right about here

Well, I'm sorry you feel that way.

As I see it, it's hard to judge any piece of equipment until you've used it.

Sure we can load up a clip in YouTube and watch it. The thing is, there are so many humans and processes in between what takes place in the camera and what we see on the screen that there is little way of knowing what caused what to look like what unless we are intimately involved in the process.

Do you think 2001 a space odyssey negatives came out of the camera and looked ready to project?

No - because a negative is not projection ready.
How much time was spent slaving over hot negative densitometers and lab dials?

One thing we are talking about here has almost nothing to do with cameras and camera technology.

It's non-technical people doing technical jobs.
Non Artists doing jobs that need artists.
Producers cutting corners to save a buck, and believe me - there are many more corners to either turn or be cut.
Oh and let's not forget critics. Plenty of arm-chair-quarterbacking to be found on the Internet.

I fully believe in people's rights to express their opinions, but I also feel that we have the right to question a methodology of criticism.

I mean, the Internet is filled with high criticism for others, and also immediate belief and reception of any seemingly true published results - no matter how flawed.

Just saying, it's a wide world out there - dont just experience it through YouTube .

 

[Michael Millichamp]

You could not be more wrong. Drive was easily the best film of the year and the casting was perfect. The opening driving scene was one of the best openings in film history.

Agreed. And the ending is literally perfect. What a way to end a movie.

 

[Zeb B]

Agreed. The ending was perfect. It let me leave the theater to get a beer and clear my head of the conflicted plot line.

Cheers guys!

 

[Tim Hole]

Why so much animosity...

I thought Drive was a wonderful piece of cinema. I think it lightly borrowed from Walter Hill's The Driver in the opening scene, but no more than Leon borrowed from Le Samourai. Overall it was nicely underplayed, had a great soundtrack, was shot beautifully and was engaging to watch. I had my fingers crossed that they he didn't screw the ending up, which he didn't...

You're entitled to dislike the film of course, that's your right but there is no little need for such derisive sarcastic candor.

 

[Zeb B]

So adamently approving and advocating a movie product is OK - but equally an equally disapproving position is "derisive sarcastic candor". Got it . . . oh wait: It's freakin "Drive" not "Gone with the Wind"!

The OP had to do with the Arri look and feel. Let's stick to that

 

[Dan Kanes]

The OP had to do with the Arri look and feel. Let's stick to that

So, what is it doing in the Red Discussion section and not Off Topic?

Not trying to harsh your mellow here - just curious?

 

[Zeb B]

My mistake - thought discussions about Video in Cinema was a related Discussion to RED. My bad. If you feel it important enough to have it moved please contact a Mod

 

[Andrew Rieger]

Joking . . . right? "Best opening in film history" Now I know yawl down there in Texas have a nasty habit of overstatin things a spell . . . but golly jeez hoss . . . even Top Gun's opening blows away this cliche redux. Not to mention: Citizen Kane, Reservoir Dogs, 2001 Space O, Trainspotting . . . oh heck, even Raiders or Jaws.

I thought the cine looked good for an Arri

I said one of the best openings in film history, not the best. Please read my original post. I'm from SoCali BTW and still live there, just sayin.

 

[Timur Civan]

Drive w/Ryan Gosling was shot on Alexa - watch that opening sequence and tell us the Alexa looks flat and video-y

I had some extremely knowledgeable people, who CC Red regularly, tell me at the SMPTE conference that the Sony F3 was the current champ for out-of-camera image quality

Really it's a great time to be doing what we do, with so many great cameras and options

I find that hard to believe. I mean, w/ LOG and 444 capture, yes the F3 is incredible for the price... but hardly in alexa/epic territory.

But it does pull up a mean 4th place under the F35......

 

[Dan Kanes]

Since we are picking each other apart...

We native Angelenos call it SoCal if we feel the need to generalize and abbreviate at the same time. But I digress...

I'd consider San diego more "provencially quaint" than much of Texas.

Certainly more things I respect and enjoy have come from Texas than San Diego - high technology as well as art.

 

[Dan Kanes]

I find that hard to believe. I mean, w/ LOG and 444 capture, yes the F3 is incredible for the price... but hardly in alexa/epic territory.

But it does pull up a mean 4th place under the F35......

I must be one of the few who find the f35 look to be abysmal. Certainly i'd choose F3 if I had to choke down a day of Sony shooting.

 

[Josh Snyder]

One of the biggest reasons people in the industry prefers ARRI/Alexa is that it looks more filmic than RED/EPIC. RED looks more of hi def video.

 

[Kacey Baker]

I saw it last night - have a lesser opinion of Willy Shakespeare and Alexa now. Looked real video-ish. Blown highlights and compressed DR - just real flat and dull.

I take it you haven't seen Contagion?

We can all hate on movies, but the next one always looks better using the same equipment.

The hating should be on our own movies we shoot as aspiring film makers, we're yet to showcase an end product half as good as both Anonymous or Contagion... maybe we have? Maybe I blinked?