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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Announcing WEAPON DRAGON 6k Magnesium

Any chance you could add that on to the trade credit instead? I don't see myself wanting to buy a lot of accessories right away. And that would probably be the ONLY feasible way I could upgrade to Weapon is by adding that $5k accessory credit to the trade in credit instead. Make sense? I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking this...and it would help immensly more for me to get in on Weapon. :)

In other words, this is what I mean

Dragon X - $15,500 trade in credit + $5000 accessory credit

or

Dragon X - 20,500 trade in credit + no accessory credit

Jarred Land said:
Weapon is the top of the Dragon family. I understand the "previous module" complaint some people may have which is why we included the $5000 Weapon accessory credit for upgrades (or new purchases during NAB)
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Kemalettin Sert said:
Whats the deadline for 5K $ credit offer
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It is stated right on the upgrade page

Place your WEAPON™ pre-order by Thursday, April 16th—and pay the full deposit amount within 10 business days—to receive a $5,000 accessory credit to go along with your new WEAPON system.
 
Joel Arvidsson said:
I think I will keep my Epic and just save up for a 8k Cf given if it performs like I hope. This rout is less fun but also less of a headache for me.
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This. I think it makes sense to buy Weapon outright.

Jarred Land said:
Weapon is the top of the Dragon family. I understand the "previous module" complaint some people may have which is why we included the $5000 Weapon accessory credit for upgrades (or new purchases during NAB)
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Totally understand. You have developed a better camera which has the need to phase out some of the older modules. The 5k credit is beyond generous. Though for me, it makes sense to stay on Epic for the time being, considering (from what we know) the $15k it costs to upgrade will not drastically increase image quality, which is what my primary focus is. I think many would agree.

That being said...

I know this won't get an answer but I have to ask. Will Epic -> Weapon path be open for a while? Say as long as Scarlet-X -> Epic-X was? ;)
 
Jarred Land said:
Weapon is the top of the Dragon family. I understand the "previous module" complaint some people may have which is why we included the $5000 Weapon accessory credit for upgrades (or new purchases during NAB)
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Thanks Jarred. Is the $5,000 accessory credit an addition to the items bundled w/ the $5K deposit package, or is the credit refering to the items in the bundle? (hope that question made sense, heh)

  • 1 WEAPON BRAIN (Magnesium) w/ Integrated Media Bay
  • 1 WEAPON Sidekick (Magnesium)
  • 1 WEAPON Base Expander
  • 1 WEAPON REDVOLT XL Module
  • 1 WEAPON Top Handle
  • 1 WEAPON Lemo Adaptor A
  • 1 WEAPON Package Case
  • 1 1-Year Standard Warranty
 
This would help the little guy sooooo much!


Adam Johnson said:
Any chance you could add that on to the trade credit instead? I don't see myself wanting to buy a lot of accessories right away. And that would probably be the ONLY feasible way I could upgrade to Weapon is by adding that $5k accessory credit to the trade in credit instead. Make sense? I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking this...and it would help immensly more for me to get in on Weapon. :)

In other words, this is what I mean

Dragon X - $15,500 trade in credit + $5000 accessory credit

or

Dragon X - 20,500 trade in credit + no accessory credit
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Daniel Reed said:
Thanks Jarred. Is the $5,000 accessory credit an addition to the items bundled w/ the $5K deposit package, or is the credit refering to the items in the bundle? (hope that question made sense, heh)
  • 1 WEAPON BRAIN (Magnesium) w/ Integrated Media Bay
  • 1 WEAPON Sidekick (Magnesium)
  • 1 WEAPON Base Expander
  • 1 WEAPON REDVOLT XL Module
  • 1 WEAPON Top Handle
  • 1 WEAPON Lemo Adaptor A
  • 1 WEAPON Package Case
  • 1 1-Year Standard Warranty
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Yes, when invoiced, that $5000 Weapon credit will be applied bundles as well yes.
 
Josef Gatti said:
I agree with many of the recent posts. WEAPON is extremely expensive as an upgrade, and not worth it for most, especially considering all previous modules won't be compatible with this new body, and mini mags are the only media that work.

That said, I think this only strengthens Epic Dragon as a camera. At the end of the day, the image quality will be more or less the same as what is coming out of WEAPON (excluding Vista, 8k).
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I think many of us, myself included have become spoiled from trade in and upgrade programs. RED has just released something amazing yet there is a lot of questioning and negativity.

Do I wish the trade in was higher? Yes. Do I wish the deposit was more affordable? Yes. But in reality it's amazing they are even giving us either option. Who else does?

Great work RED team and Jarred. I may not be able to afford it now but it's something I Will hopefully be able to soon. Looking forward to meeting all of you later today and seeing all the cool toys in person.
 
agreeeeed

Jeffrey Loewe said:
I think many of us, myself included have become spoiled from trade in and upgrade programs. RED has just released something amazing yet there is a lot of questioning and negativity.

Do I wish the trade in was higher? Yes. Do I wish the deposit was more affordable? Yes. But in reality it's amazing they are even giving us either option. Who else does?

Great work RED team and Jarred. I may not be able to afford it now but it's something I Will hopefully be able to soon. Looking forward to meeting all of you later today and seeing all the cool toys in person.
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Jarred Land said:
Yes, when invoiced, that $5000 Weapon credit will be applied bundles as well yes.
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Jarred, is that your help for people with investment in standard 512GB Redmags? Or is there some additional assistance for them still to be worked out? You mentioned you were going to try to do something...?

Mike
 
Jarred Land said:
Yes, when invoiced, that $5000 Weapon credit will be applied bundles as well yes.
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YES!!!!! Now the trade in/upgrade prices make sense. Badass. Thanks for confirming Jared!

As ketch said, if now only my serial number issue would be fixed to pay the deposit...
 
I don't want this to get lost in the crazy shuffle. But any chance in making the $5k accessory credit part of the trade in credit for those that would rather use it that way to help them upgrade?

It would certinaly help someone like me who doesnt want to buy many accessories right away. Thanks


If not, no big deal. I know you guys are doing everything you can already! Thank you
 
Jeffrey Loewe said:
I think many of us, myself included have become spoiled from trade in and upgrade programs. RED has just released something amazing yet there is a lot of questioning and negativity.

Do I wish the trade in was higher? Yes. Do I wish the deposit was more affordable? Yes. But in reality it's amazing they are even giving us either option. Who else does?

Great work RED team and Jarred. I may not be able to afford it now but it's something I Will hopefully be able to soon. Looking forward to meeting all of you later today and seeing all the cool toys in person.
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Also agree with this. I was one of the lucky ones where after one and a half years, my Scarlet-X received 100% of it's value credited towards an Epic. Spoiled indeed.

I can see how my post may have been viewed as negative, though that was not my intention. I understand why everything is the way it is, and appreciate it. Epic Dragon has not been devalued as a result of Weapon, which I appreciate very much. I do hope the Epic -> Weapon path is open for a while.
 
Jeffrey Loewe said:
I think many of us, myself included have become spoiled from trade in and upgrade programs. RED has just released something amazing yet there is a lot of questioning and negativity.

Do I wish the trade in was higher? Yes. Do I wish the deposit was more affordable? Yes. But in reality it's amazing they are even giving us either option. Who else does?

Great work RED team and Jarred. I may not be able to afford it now but it's something I Will hopefully be able to soon. Looking forward to meeting all of you later today and seeing all the cool toys in person.
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Jeffrey, as I said, it's a great proposition for new entrants. Call it $38k for a body including the big I/O module; Red just announced a camera that pisses all over Arri at that price point.

Where it's less attractive is for existing owners, especially small-time owner/operators like me. The upgrade deal looks, on first glance, to be uncompetitive with just selling the camera and buying a new one. I said weeks ago not to get hopes too high, the Epic 'stages' program was a crazy once-in-a-lifetime deal, Weapon would be a LOT more expensive of an upgrade. Seems I was right. But we're still crunching numbers.

Mike
 
Weapon looks great, no doubt about that.

But, I think I'll have to stick at Epic Dragon, as I just can't see a way to make this work (for me). I lost out on the post Stage4 half price slash a few years back, but have stuck with RED and went for the Dragon upgrade on the previous deadline and have been waiting to see what NAB brings :)

Much as I'd love to go to Weapon, the $ outlay (GBP in my case) to go for new media and accessories, will hold me back. I'm sure others will enjoy the ride, but I'll stay in second class from now on.
 
As someone that owns multiple RED Dragon aluminum camera bodies (plus one RED Dragon CF body), the Weapon trade-in program has been a major consideration for the start of 2015. For anyone else in the same boat, here's how the numbers break-down and what you should be considering when looking at this upgrade path:

Paid $27,000 for the Epic-X (aluminum). Upgraded to Dragon for $9,500. Weapon Magnesium model is $34,500. Trade-in credit for the Dragon-X (aluminum) is $15,500. Upgrade price after trade-in will be $19,000. Combined total for Epic-X to Dragon-X to Weapon Magnesium will be $55,500. Less from that amount is $5,000 in accessory credit (NAB promotion) and years of experience and sales with the Epic-X and Dragon-X brains.

If you made more than $21,000 off of your Epic-X and Dragon-X, you will have saved money towards the Weapon and have had years of experience, reel, and product to show for it.

That being said, based on the features being advertised and the future 8K sensor path, you are almost certainly better off upgrading to the Weapon CF model and skipping over the Magnesium base-model Weapon completely. More specs will be released, but already it's obvious the CF model has more power under the hood.

Last, I'm not thrilled with the upgrade cliff. It's more than I budgeted and expected for the step from Dragon to Weapon. But I also realize (1) no other company besides RED even offers a trade-in and (2) this lesser-value trade-in program will help to do something very important for every RED owner -- improve RED brain values longer-term. Something people have been complaining about for years and I've also felt, the value of RED brains drops off dramatically with every upgrade cycle. This time around, that won't be such a dramatic fall. Much better for all of us.
 
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