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o,k forgive me...didnt know that pamela anderson prototypes will turn to grandma greta lenses...hehe
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Announcing the Rebel lenses
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o,k forgive me...didnt know that pamela anderson prototypes will turn to grandma greta lenses...hehe
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Everything is in the eyes of the beholder :beer:
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Well that was interesting.
Funny thing is, Mike Bravin & I are friendly. We just hung out after a Sony party for awhile shootin' the breeze. Everyone just thinks we're in a pissing match because well, it's fun to play the upmanship game every now & then.
BandPro is free to charge whatever they want for their products. Zeiss told me point blank that the prices were in play. I'm sure we'll all end up selling them for something within a few pennies of one another.
I'm the guy with the hat. It's been a few years now, but I think my initial boast was something along the lines that RED was claiming the earth & the moom in functional features for their camera and I said if they could actually deliver such by NAB then I'd eat my hat. To be technically fair I don't think they actually got ALL of those functions up and running in time, but it was certainly enough and in the spirit of good manners I was happy to present Jim with a red velvet cake in the shape of a fedora. I let Jim and his hard-working minions actually enjoy eating it.
So back to lenses...
Come on by our booth to check out the Rebel primes. They have 18-blade irises, almost a perfect circle! Lovely, lovely bokeh.
Funny thing is, Mike Bravin & I are friendly. We just hung out after a Sony party for awhile shootin' the breeze. Everyone just thinks we're in a pissing match because well, it's fun to play the upmanship game every now & then.
BandPro is free to charge whatever they want for their products. Zeiss told me point blank that the prices were in play. I'm sure we'll all end up selling them for something within a few pennies of one another.
I'm the guy with the hat. It's been a few years now, but I think my initial boast was something along the lines that RED was claiming the earth & the moom in functional features for their camera and I said if they could actually deliver such by NAB then I'd eat my hat. To be technically fair I don't think they actually got ALL of those functions up and running in time, but it was certainly enough and in the spirit of good manners I was happy to present Jim with a red velvet cake in the shape of a fedora. I let Jim and his hard-working minions actually enjoy eating it.
So back to lenses...
Come on by our booth to check out the Rebel primes. They have 18-blade irises, almost a perfect circle! Lovely, lovely bokeh.
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Couldn't agree more. I point this out to people all the time.
Especially because It's my job...
Perfect example.. Cooke S4's take about HALF the time it takes to service an old Russian Lomo. Keep this in mind when choosing your new set of primes.
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And I know that for a fact HAHAHA
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I wonder if the sub 20K price just went slightly closer to 20k for the Red primes with this announcement. The 10k pricetag surely played a role in Red rethinking their prices to beat off competition and now these lenses are at least 2k more than RPP... Well I'm sure Jim is very confident in his product now and probably rightly so though I'll reserve complete judgement till we have the facts on all sets.
Given Red seems to be making the cheapest set of primes on the market it seems apparent they will ship more lenses than others. One of the important aspects of a lens' rentability or saleability on a project is that DP's are comfortable with the look and performance. I envisage there will be more than enough sets of Red lenses out there within the year that DP's will quickly become aware of their particular qualities and whether to choose to use them (Not to mention the lower costs will excite producers).
With this in mind, the pricetag of these at 22k is naturally less desirable than previously thought. They probably won't shift a significant amount to market that will make a big enough impression that DP's will be familiar enough shooting with them and subsequently even if they are comparable with the Red lenses they probably won't be in great demand.
In terms of servicing, what are Red going to do with all those in the aggressive manufacturing pipeline once they've shipped most of the sets? Seems like an ideal place for servicing. As long as they have areas throughout the world, obviously starting with Red Europe since it is already up and running, I don't personally see that being that big a problem. Red have been very good on servicing their cameras, better than most companies. So why should this not be reflected in their lens servicing department? That said I'd be surprised if they can't be serviced outside of Red, after all they're hardly likely to give a lifetime warranty so how could they restrict people from taking them elsewhere?
Paul
Given Red seems to be making the cheapest set of primes on the market it seems apparent they will ship more lenses than others. One of the important aspects of a lens' rentability or saleability on a project is that DP's are comfortable with the look and performance. I envisage there will be more than enough sets of Red lenses out there within the year that DP's will quickly become aware of their particular qualities and whether to choose to use them (Not to mention the lower costs will excite producers).
With this in mind, the pricetag of these at 22k is naturally less desirable than previously thought. They probably won't shift a significant amount to market that will make a big enough impression that DP's will be familiar enough shooting with them and subsequently even if they are comparable with the Red lenses they probably won't be in great demand.
In terms of servicing, what are Red going to do with all those in the aggressive manufacturing pipeline once they've shipped most of the sets? Seems like an ideal place for servicing. As long as they have areas throughout the world, obviously starting with Red Europe since it is already up and running, I don't personally see that being that big a problem. Red have been very good on servicing their cameras, better than most companies. So why should this not be reflected in their lens servicing department? That said I'd be surprised if they can't be serviced outside of Red, after all they're hardly likely to give a lifetime warranty so how could they restrict people from taking them elsewhere?
Paul