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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Angenieux Rouge

Mine just came in and I got both blue and black bands included. Nice!
 
KETCH ROSSI said:
Carlos we know for sure that the 24-290 does not cover 5k at the wide end, just not sure with the rouge.
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Looks like 5k is really not going to be the leg up winner in the dog fight.

I dont think people are going to stop using proven cine lenses just to cover a larger resolution..

but shooting high speed at 4k is the entire reason i believe epic has its value..
and of course the higher data rate (less compression)
 
Zakaree Sandberg said:
Looks like 5k is really not going to be the leg up winner in the dog fight.

I dont think people are going to stop using proven cine lenses just to cover a larger resolution..

but shooting high speed at 4k is the entire reason i believe epic has its value..
and of course the higher data rate (less compression)
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Wrong.

Rouge 16-42 + 30-80 = full coverage
Optimo 15-40mm = full coverage
Ultra Primes = full coverage
Master Primes = full coverage

adapter coming from Ang. that will allow full coverage on Optimo 24-290, 17-80 + 28-76 in 5K FF.

Only looser in the 5K world IMO is Cooke S4s. Too much barrel distortion and too soft unless you crop to 4K.
 
C.H.Haskell said:
Mark, Can that be said about the panchros in terms of barrel distortion in 5k or no?
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Also, from what I've read and when I asked ZGC they told me the 5i's covered the S35 image circle. Since both the 5i's and Panchros are newer than the S4's I wonder if they are not better suited for a more modern camera like the Epic.
 
Mark L. Pederson said:
Wrong.

Rouge 16-42 + 30-80 = full 5K FF coverage
Optimo 15-40mm = full 5K FF coverage
Ultra Primes = full 5K FF coverage
Master Primes = full 4K FF coverage

adapter coming from Ang. that will allow full coverage on Optimo 24-290, 17-80 + 28-76 in 5K FF.

Only looser in the 5K world IMO is Cooke S4s. Too much barrel distortion and too soft unless you crop to 4K.
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Second this post. But would like to add that the s5's are from what I have heard not going to cover either.
 
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Mark, you post is confusing. What are to referring to when you say "full coverage?" Prior threads discussed 4k and 5k. If you are saying 5k, then you may want to revisit the Duclos charts and related comments regarding Optimo coverage, which is S35, not 5K. If you have other information, I would love to hear about it.
 
dino g said:
Second this post. But would like to add that the s5's are from what I have heard not going to cover either.
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Not sure about 5i's but new Panchro/i's do. :)
 
Tim Duran said:
Mark, you post is confusing. What are to referring to when you say "full coverage?" Prior threads discussed 4k and 5k. If you are saying 5k, then you may want to revisit the Duclos charts and related comments regarding Optimo coverage, which is S35, not 5K. If you have other information, I would love to hear about it.
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Sorry Tim - I should have said "full 5K FF coverage"

** It should be noted that on the Rouge 16-42 + 30-80 - the design was updated for 5K coverage at some point. I'm not sure what date that took effect, but if you have an early Rouge(s) - (like we did) - they have to be upgraded to 5K compatibility by Angenieux. If you own these lenses and are not sure if yours are "5K compatible" - contact Angenieux. All new Rouge 16-42 + 30-80 that ship now (and for a while now) have the 5K compatible upgraded design.
 
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From Angenieux Optimo DP 16-42mm & Optimo DP 30-80mm Data Sheet catalogues:

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Angenieux Optimo DP 16-42mm.

Angenieux Optimo DP 16-42mm image coverage: S35 5K (32mm diagonal) PDF >>>

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Angenieux Optimo DP 30-80mm.

Angenieux Optimo DP 30-80mm image coverage: S35 5K (32mm diagonal) PDF >>>
 
I agree with others here ... amazing how much better the black bands look on the Optimos, a very sexy combination when combined with the Epic and can't wait to get my first set. For 99% of my work right now, the Rouge set will perfectly cover my needs. I don't need super fast ... yet. 2.8 will be fine for a while -- though if I absolutely need primes, I may get a set of RPP's while I raise the necessary funds (and patiently wait) for the Leica C's sometime in 2012.

Out of curiosity -- where is the best place to order them? Lead times? I'm probably about 2-3 months away (waiting for Stage 3 to get closer) but I'm starting to plan and budget now.

I know they are sold at B&H ... also Abel carries them. But for best service, price, etc just curious -- especially since it seems like you (Evan) ordered them directly from Angenieux.

Thanks for the help guys :)

Anthony
 
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C.H.Haskell said:
If your out of state Anthony you will save on Tax from BH. Also give Abel a call and see what deal they can give you. Good luck!
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Thanks CH. Yah the tax savings from BH is nice since I'm based out of California (though in the Carribean now) -- but BH service is not all that personal.

I will check Abel, there's a slight tax for being in Cali -- which is discounted due to being a professional -- but I have a feeling they would at least match the final price from BH. I will check with them.

Where did everyone else get theirs?
 
Anthony, the price ranges on these lenses in very narrow. I bought my first Rouge via one of the well known used glass dealers who got me a one time deal on a NEW lens. No cc, no tax @$19,000. I had to promise not to give out his name. I got a very good deal from Abel on my second, but that included $20,000+ of additional equipment. No tax, no cc.

NOTE: Angenieux's prices change with the euro/dollar situation. If you think dollar is going down, try to lock in a price today with a lay away plan.
 
Sanjin, I would love to say you're right, but your comment is not in line with Duclos's charts nor what I've heard from Angenieux. There is confusion between "5k" and "Epic". Rightly or wrongly, most people equate Epic with 5k. Epic per the chart is 33.5+mm. S35 is 32. And 4k is 29mm.

It is my understanding that Angenieux is rejiggering their line to allow for Epic needs. That's why I'm waiting for NAB to see what's news, if anything, before I buy a 24-290.
 
Peter Lyons Collister said:
Anybody have any recent feedback about the 2 Rouge zooms?
How they compare to other zooms and/or primes?

Just looking for some lenses for personal use and I am tired of changing my PL mount to a Nikon mount over and over again.....

Peter
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Hi Peter.

We use a pair of both as our workhorse lenses on an episodic TV drama I'm shooting. I love them for being smaller and lighter whilst still being reasonably fast.

The only downside I've found with them is that they aren't very flat when you're wide open and at the wider end of the lenses. At T2.8 on the 16-42, you'll find almost a 2 stop drop off on the corners. Digital cameras also tend to show up the field flatness a lot more.

This evens out by the time you're at T5.6, but shooting interiors is where I notice it the most, especially panning through a wall on a wider lens.

Otherwise they are visually great. Sharp and easy on the focus pullers.
jb
 
John Brawley said:
Hi Peter.

We use a pair of both as our workhorse lenses on an episodic TV drama I'm shooting. I love them for being smaller and lighter whilst still being reasonably fast.

The only downside I've found with them is that they aren't very flat when you're wide open and at the wider end of the lenses. At T2.8 on the 16-42, you'll find almost a 2 stop drop off on the corners. Digital cameras also tend to show up the field flatness a lot more.

This evens out by the time you're at T5.6, but shooting interiors is where I notice it the most, especially panning through a wall on a wider lens.

Otherwise they are visually great. Sharp and easy on the focus pullers.
jb
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This is a bit concerning John, and something I haven't heard before. I would like to be able to use them on the Epic, wide open ... are you saying the edges of the frame get distorted when you're using them on the wide end?

Anyone else have this issue? From everything others have posted, the lenses act in many ways like slightly slower primes -- extremely sharp and excellent overall across the full range of the zoom and apertures.
 
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