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Angenieux 45-120...

My take? Love at first sight.

My take? Love at first sight.

Cons: It weighs 11 lbs and needs a MB big enough handle the 136mm front so its a bit of a beast for hand held. Price.

Pros: Great working zoom range, insanely fast at T2.2, Angie's butter smooth mechanics, spectacular optics and, IMHO, does a brilliant job of being sharp without being harsh.

If I could give my Epic any gift (other than the Leica Cs) it would be this lens.

Cheers - #19
 
I don't think the 17-80 covers the full 5K frame, other thanthat it's a wonderful, lukinous lens, I've shot an entire short on it but it does need to be on a tripod or dolly so you'll still need a prime set or short zooms for handheld.
 
I was wondering about coverage on the wide end for 5K FF as well. Ultimately the price screams rental house, though some DPs park such lenses with rental houses they have relationships with. In any case, very few owner/ops can afford a $60,000 lens no matter how nice it is.

Cheers - #19
 
Denis Buhot said:
Well, if your field is Africa or places where there is plenty of light, if you already took the leap to sigma alledged crappy lenses, you might consider sigma 50-500 ! Not a fast lens for sure, but build and finish, opticai quality are much better than, say, my nikon 80-400, and the range is unique...
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Gonna try that Canon 28-300 first. I do not love the Nikon 80-400, but i do love the Nikon 200-400. I tried the 200-400 with an Optitek mount, and ended up preferring the Sig 120-300 w the electronic Canon mount, for exactly the reasons I mentioned - focus confirm is incredibly useful for wildlife, which often does not give you the chance to hit 1:1, confirm focus, and then shoot. By then the interesting moment has often passed. What I lose in IQ with the wide range zooms, I make up in being framed and focused for the interesting events. Have you used that 50-500? Seems too ambitious, but I'm willing to be wrong about that.
 
120-300 in Tanzania

120-300 in Tanzania

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There will soon be retrofit kits for both the Angenieux 17-80 and 24-290 to allow them to cover 5K on the EPIC.

The optical performance of both the 16-42 & 30-80 is about equal to their cine companions te 15-40 and 28-76. The change in design allows the lenses to be manufactured for less. That is the real benefit to the enduser, as the DP versions sell for about half the price of the cine versions.

There are interesting new lenses on the way from a few manufacturers. At verious price points as well. NAB will be fun! ;-)
 
Thanks for the notes Mitch and for being a part of the Reduser community.

What in the heck does it take to retrofit for a larger image circle? Color me amazed.

Good news about new lens options. Perhaps the marketplace for large single sensor camera lensing has finally reached a tipping point and we will see a wider range of options and price points.

Cheers - #19
 
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New lenses... Hoooray! :) My bank account quivers in fear....
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
Thanks for the notes Mitch and for being a part of the Reduser community.

What in the heck does it take to retrofit for a larger image circle? Color me amazed.

Good news about new lens options. Perhaps the marketplace for large single sensor camera lensing has finally reached a tipping point and we will see a wider range of options and price points.

Cheers - #19
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I don't know how they plan to do it, but a possible solution could be a very mild teleconverter. Nothing near as much as the 1.5x or 2x extenders we are used to.... but something just enough to get the image circle to cover the 5k requirements. Having it no more than required would also allow for as little light loss to occur as possible. That would be the easiest way I know of to do that to a lens that is already designed and built. But I'm not a lens tech. :-/
 
Did you mention a price of around $ 60 K?

Blair S. Paulsen said:
Cons: It weighs 11 lbs and needs a MB big enough handle the 136mm front so its a bit of a beast for hand held. Price.

Pros: Great working zoom range, insanely fast at T2.2, Angie's butter smooth mechanics, spectacular optics and, IMHO, does a brilliant job of being sharp without being harsh.

If I could give my Epic any gift (other than the Leica Cs) it would be this lens.

Cheers - #19
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I just tried the Canon 28-300 you mentioned. It's a really good looking lens. The push pull zoom is annoying, but I shot it against Toia'a sharpest lens ever, and it was respectable. The 100 falls off at around 25 line pairs, the 28-300 (at 100mm) around 18.

A lot of distortion at 28, but plenty sharp, and 300 is surprisingly good. I may just install this on Scarlet to have a very good EFP ready for anything set up. Use the Epic when I have time to compose and change lenses.
 
I still haven't worked out how to get a decent zooming shot for under $40 K of cine lenses and motors. These DSLR zooms work well as variable primes. Actually got a nice zoom out of a Sig 120-300, such a big barrel I could do it by hand pretty smoothly.

Why doesn't anyone make an integrated zoom set up that worked as well as the Canon or Fujinon B mounts we used for years? The Canon 30-300 looks like the same lens, without the zoom, for twice the money????

Is the Impero any good?
 
Id be interested to know how the 45 120 compares to the Leica 70 180 in terms of look as the Leica makes a good complementary long lens to the 16 42 and 30 80 lenses. (Plus the Duclos 11 16 to cover the wide end.)

Any views on this ?
 
The Leica will certainly match the Optimos for sharpness, but it renders very neutral compared to the Optimos warmer feel. The biggest deal will be finding someone to do a really great PL conversion.
The 45-120 will obviously match the other Optimos the best, but there won't be too much issue matching. I just recently shot a short film with my OPtimo DPs and Duclos PL mounted (not rehoused) 80-200 Nikkor and the shots matched quite well.
 
The solution to covering 5K on those two Angenieux zooms is to replace the rear lens group and add a little magnification. The resulting lens will be slightly more telephoto throughout the range as well as slightly higher T-stop.
 
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