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AMD Opteron 32-Core - is the Adobe Suite using 32 Cores?

Brilliant, thanks a lot again! Let me get this out of the way first of all - Rocket has been absolutely obsoleted.

That is pretty incredible performance, it is fair to say that Premiere Pro CS6 is now a real-time colour corrector. Quadro 1800 is definitely a bottleneck. You can check for GPU usage. If you have "Max Render Quality" checked, a GTX 580 can accelerate the render several times.

About 4K H.264, it is in the same area, choose H.264. Under Basic Video Settings select Profile as High and Level as 5.1. Then go up to the resolution and make it 4096x2048. Go for VBR 1 pass and target bitrate 120 Mbps.

For uncompressed rendering it is normal for the RAM to be cached out. You can look under Preferences > Memory, by default Adobe allocates 75% to CS applications and 25% to other applications, you can increase that to use more than 80GB. Really, you can make it 120GB, Windows does not require more than 4GB (or 1 GB, for that matter...).

The R3D SDK is 32-bit AFAIK, so all implementations will only run 32-bit.
 
Subhadip Sen said:
About 4K H.264, it is in the same area, choose H.264. Under Basic Video Settings select Profile as High and Level as 5.1. Then go up to the resolution and make it 4096x2048. Go for VBR 1 pass and target bitrate 120 Mbps.

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4 minute 5K file with that exact setting is about 25 minutes.

BTW, saw the option for RAM, and it was already set to 120GB. Something else must be limiting it to 80GB. However, in the export above, it sat around 45GB.
 
Joseph S. said:
4 minute 5K file with that exact setting is about 25 minutes.

BTW, saw the option for RAM, and it was already set to 120GB. Something else must be limiting it to 80GB. However, in the export above, it sat around 45GB.
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Did you have "Maximum Render Quality" checked? The GPU will be bottlenecking then. Even so, those are pretty impressive results all around.

Getting back to the original topic, it does seem like an Opteron G34 system could be an excellent option for Premiere CS6, aided with lots of RAM and a powerful GPU.
 
luigivaltulini said:
I'm trying with Joe, some test renders with its sandy bridge 32 core on windows 7 64bit platform.

for example, rendering red epic 4:23 clip 5k down 1080p h264. with REDCINE-X 1h 12 min , with Adobe premeire CS6 about 5 minutes. impressive.
There lighthouse 'knowledge in the coming days.


thanks
Luigi
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-> He really got a 2x 16 Core Intel? wtf? I thought there was only 8-core processors atm.


So what you guys think about an Opteron system? 32 cores and 64/96GB Ram would be nice. The only payable option is an z800 or a DIY system with I7 like Joe's.
Nobody tested an AMD yet i think... but if 32 cores are in use in CS6, maybe it's worth a thought.
 
Fabian Benninghoven said:
-> He really got a 2x 16 Core Intel? wtf? I thought there was only 8-core processors atm.
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I think he meant 32 thread, i.e 2 x 8 cores.

There's a Xeon E7 out there, you can slap in 4 of those for a 40 core / 80 thread system. And then interconnect multiple systems by InfiniBand. The top supercomputers get to 100,000+ cores this way. The possibilities are endless...

I wonder if CS6 could scale to hundreds of threads? That way you could possibly transcode dozens of times faster than Rocket. 2 hour HDRx 3D clip? Done and dusted in 2 minutes.

So what you guys think about an Opteron system? 32 cores and 64/96GB Ram would be nice. The only payable option is an z800 or a DIY system with I7 like Joe's.
Nobody tested an AMD yet i think... but if 32 cores are in use in CS6, maybe it's worth a thought.
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Most certainly worth a shot. Obviously it is not going to be as fast as a top end 16C Xeon E5 system, but for the price it is unbeatable provided your application can use all 32 threads. Now that we have one that can, it's worth it.

Edit - After checking out some benchmarks and doing some calculations, it seems like the Opteron 6282 SE will perform somewhere between a Xeon E5 2660 and 2670 once all 32 threads are used. Considering the 2 x Opteron 6828 is priced $2000 and the Xeons are $2700 and $3100 respectively, it seems like a no brainer. Plus, the motherboards cheaper too. I may be wrong... but even in a worst case scenario the AMD system seems like a great option.
 
Another interesting point is that 6282 SE is actually the worst value in the AMD line-up!

6272 is only $550 per CPU, which is insane value. Same 16 threads, base clock is 2.1 GHz, turbo is up to 3.0 GHz. Also consumes less than 115W.

Think about it - AMD is offering 32 cores for the same price as Intel's 6 cores.
 
@ Sen:
You're right, 2x 6272 and the base clock maybe set up to 2,8 Ghz: only 2x 490 Euro - best price!


I called Adobe and asked if CS6 is using all threads from 32 cores. The answer from the support: you don't need more than 8 cores atm.
But the guy from the support will check this "Opteron issue" and will give me another call back later. I'll keep you posted.
 
Subhadip Sen said:
Think about it - AMD is offering 32 cores for the same price as Intel's 6 cores.
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This certainly made me re-think my next PC hardware purchases; thanks!

BTW, is the jury still out on the new gaming-oriented Nvidia 680/690 cards and their performance in video applications?
 
Fabian Benninghoven said:
2nd call from Adobe: it's important to have more CPU power than CPU's in the system. The support max. recommended a 8-core system, with the highest Ghz available.
4GB Ram per Core -> 24GB.

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Very interesting thread !

I will follow the Clevo route with P170EM


Nvidia Geforce GTX675M *2Go
Intel® i7-3920QM 4x2 cores - 2.9GHz à 3.6GHz - 8 Mo cache - 55 Watts (Ivy Bridge)
DDR3 Sodimm 32Go 1333Mhz quadri-channel
ssd for system
2x750 esata raid 0 for media


Plus 3 x usb 3,1x esata


I would have wait for thunderbolt, but i am not sure the Rocket will be indispensable

Any suggestions from our Gurus ?
 
wow i seen a 64 core model on titanus! it can have 512gbs of ram too! talk about crazy specs
 
Did anyone try the amd with premiere yet?
 
The Xeon E5's smoke these AMD systems in per core and per clock comparisons. The advantage of the AMD is price, in particular they can offer more cores for less money, but the cores aren't as good. And very few applications can scale well beyond 2, maybe 4 CPUs. Premiere does a pretty good job getting to 8 with MPE, but after 8 processors, the diminishing returns really become obvious. Anything more than about 12 threads seems to almost start slowing things down.

The monster AMD systems are good for render farms, massive database servers...

All the good dual Xeon E5 and larger motherboards / workstations will accept 512GB RAM too....
 
Jeff, you made me take another look at the xeon again. Was suppose to just order a 3930 system but from what I have read here it seams that alot of 3930 systems seams to struggle abit on the 4k but works ok in quad hd. I like to be able to run 4k at half res solid and at the same time output with a black magic card to hd/2k monitor.SLI

What do you think about this system below? It may not scream like some monster builds on reduser but for 4k I think this could be pretty solid. I have not found any with this processor here so I don't know what perfomance I should expect.
The system will be used for premiere and resolve. Fore storage I plan to run a windows 8 server connected with 4gigbit lan cables but thats another story.

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ASUS Z9PE-D8 WS, 2xSocket-2011
SSI-EEB, C602, 8xDDR3, 7xG3-PCIe-x16, SLI/CFX, 2xIntel GbLAN, 2xFW, iKVM

(two of those below)
Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-1650
Socket-LGA2011, 6-Core, 3.2Ghz, 12MB, 130W, TRAY/without FAN

(two of those below)
Kingston DDR3 1333MHz 16GB ECC KIT
2x8GB 1333MHz DDR3 ECC CL9 DIMM

Fractal Design Define XL Black Pearl
Fan:1x 140mm Front, 1x 180mm Top, 1x 140mm Bakside, noise reduced, m/e-ATX, USB3

Intel® SSD 520 Series 240GB 2.5"
SATA 6 Gb/s (SATA3.0), 550MB/520MB/s read/write, bulk (OEM)

ZOTAC GeForce GTX 680 4GB PhysX CUDA
PCI-Express 3.0, GDDR5, DVI-D+DVI-I, native-HDMI, DisplayPort,

Noctua NH-U12DX CPU Cooler
Socket 771, Intel Xeon 5xxx, 7xxx,1300 RPM, 92,3 m³/h, 19,8 dBA, 120mm FAN

Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 1500W PSU
ATX 12V V2.3, 80 Plus Silver, Modular, 6x 6+2pin PCIe, 6x 8pin PCIe, 12x SATA
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Also do you need sli to run on premiere and resolve? If you dont need sli I found a better workstation moderboard.
ASUS Z9PE-D16, 2xSocket-2011
E-ATX,C602-A,16xDDR3,4xPCIe(3.0)x16,3xIntel i350 GbLAN,1x Mgmt LAN, VGA, iKVM

Another confusion is that on resolves recomandation there is a
Intel Xeon E5-2620 6C/12T
2.00 GHz, TLC: 15 MB, Turbo: Yes, 7.2 GT/s, TX/RX300 S7, RX350 S7
It cost almost the same as the
Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-1650
Socket-LGA2011, 6-Core, 3.2Ghz, 12MB, 130W, TRAY/without FAN
Wich one is the better for premiere and resolve?


Hope there some helpful people on this thread. I really like to order this within a week or two.

Cheers!
 
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