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Alternative 16GB CF Cards?

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Now that the RED Drive and 16GB CF Cards are in back order, I am purchasing a new RED One camera without recording media to shoot. Anybody knows for sure which 16GB CF cards in the market are fast enough for RED One shooting in 4K 16:9? If there is no such thing, what is the next best product I can use as a workaround until RED Cards or Drives ship again?

Thanks.
 
None...instead you could buy the widely available Lexar 300x 8GB cards...or Red 8GB CF cards if they're not on back order too.
 
Was in the same situation awhile back and shot extensively with the Lexar Pro 300x 8gig card without any problems at all.
 
Here's a card that should work. But then again, how many cards should work and do not?

This one, however is rated at 666x. No, that isn't a joke about flash from Satan. (thought I could imagine a marketing slogan as "Devilshly Fast Flash".

And if that doesn't get you excited. This speed will be available 64GB. Well, I have a feeling that won't come true, but that's what they say. Pretec.

Read it here.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0903/09030602preteccfcard666x.asp

Sorry if this has shown up on Reduser before.
 
Bottom line: This is a very gray area, and we don't have a crystal clear postion from RED on how the camera is dealing with other CF cards. There are two possibilities:

1: The card is inserted into the camera, and if it passes the speed test, then it works.
2: The card is inserted into the camera, and regardless of the speed, the camera locks it out if it's not on RED's internal list.

This subject has come up a number of times, and I expect it will continue to do so until either RED clarifies their position on how the cameras are set to handle this stuff, or some 3rd party person starts testing RED's 16gb CF card against companies like Pretec to see where the differences are.

I myself use the RED Drives cause I need at least 30 min recording time! :)

I plan to sit back and watch this unfold. I have noticed so far, that with each ammouncement of a faster card, this subject comes up more and more.

Jay
 
I am the ultimate RED Fan boy.. There's no doubt there, but I am also a customer, and if I start controlling what I say for fear of upsetting RED, then I am no longer a customer, I am an employee or a shill.

But as Jarred once said, it's not WHAT I say sometimes, but HOW I say it. So I am trying to be careful in my delievery.

Jay
 
Its just that you are not only getting the RedCF when you buy it, you are also getting the possibility to record R3d on it. Thats why they cost more and thats why other CFs do not work. It would be like going into a fancy restaurant byob.
 
Paolo Tinari said:
Its just that you are not only getting the RedCF when you buy it, you are also getting the possibility to record R3d on it. Thats why they cost more and thats why other CFs do not work. It would be like going into a fancy restaurant byob.
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Except it was this very reason why they said they went CF and didnt do a Panasonic on us. Rejecting CF cards that arent stamped effectively makes them a proprietary media, in contrast to the original idea.
 
Did you guys actually stick a card in the camera and get rejected? Is there a database which brands/models get rejected? Do we have a list on which ones in the 8GB & 16GB category that actually work?

I can't afford to buy each brand/model to test. We know for fact that the RED CF cards and the Lexar 300X 8GB work. But are there at least one more, especially in the 16GB world, that people have used successfully on the RED One?
 
Agree with Shawn.
From the beginning it was Red's friendly marketing approach giving us the idea of wide options and cheaper alternatives.
Instead rejecting other brands, it should say: use it at your own risk, the card is not Red certified or something like this.
 
Except that speed really didn't have anything to do with it on the P2 cards (at least not now.) Panasonic just wanted to have their "own" media to sell. RED is only rejecting cards for 4k use because they are not fast enough to safely record 4k. RED just wants to make sure that their cameras are not getting blamed for something that's not the camera's fault.

Matthew
 
I'd like to see Red put out a benchtest program of their own that we (and manufacturers) can use to verify if a card (or SSD etc) passes the first hurdle. If it's fast enough, then send the specs or card to Red for further testing, or better yet have the data be transmitted to Red for inclusion in the next firmware build's allowed 4K media list.

Paul
 
Paul Leeming said:
I'd like to see Red put out a benchtest program of their own that we (and manufacturers) can use to verify if a card (or SSD etc) passes the first hurdle. If it's fast enough, then send the specs or card to Red for further testing, or better yet have the data be transmitted to Red for inclusion in the next firmware build's allowed 4K media list.

Paul
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There are already applications that run such diagnostics. We have used some in the past to compare third party CF cards against Reds. Asides from the Lexar most did indeed fail. The compact flash card needs to run fast enough but also hold a constant rate. Many of them will have dips in performance that could spell havoc when recording data.

As it stands at the moment, there are no other CF cards capable of being used on the camera for 4K other than Reds and the Lexars. We live in hope that others, such as Pretecs 64GB cards, will be fast enough and constant enough. Hopefully Red will allow these cards to work if they pass the tests or at least add a proviso message when sticking an 'Unathourised card' in to give the option to the users on set.

As others have pointed out, having the ability to use standard off the shelf parts was a very attractive proposition, I think it's simply the fault of the manufacturers claims that this hasn't fully come to fruition.

Paul
 
PaulClements said:
As it stands at the moment, there are no other CF cards capable of being used on the camera for 4K other than Reds and the Lexars.
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So what about the 16GB Lexars? Do those allow for RC36 4k 16:9? Even that would be great, as I can find those cards for $189 - $200 online. (Although the 64GB option would be nice...)
 
In RED's defense we must also look at another factor: EVEN if they were indeed kicking out brands that were not their own, it would make sense that they would release larger faster CF media... IF IT WAS AVAILABLE.

I think the simple fact is that the media is simply not out there yet.

Jim said one of the main advantages of his camera would be the ability to use "off the shelf" memory to shoot. I'm sure he will keep that promise, when it's possible.

Not yet

Jay
 
Ryan E. Walters said:
So what about the 16GB Lexars? Do those allow for RC36 4k 16:9? Even that would be great, as I can find those cards for $189 - $200 online. (Although the 64GB option would be nice...)
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Hi Ryan,

I haven't checked it yet personally. From what I heard it wasn't fast enough. The likelihood is that in order to up the capacity either the speed or the consistency of the write was sacrificed.

One has to remember the big market for these things is the SLR market and similar. Having a card that is so much better that it works with the Red camera simply doesn't come close to the ammount of units they'd sell to their SLR customers. It's just not in their interest to spend the extra on R&D for such a comparatively small market.

Here's the interesting thing though. The introduction of movie modes from Canon and Nikon will only push the newer cards to be more consistent and faster. The next incarnations of these cameras will be pushing them more and more and this is good news for Red owners.

If they can do it (And the technology is kicking about) Red could make a dual (or more) card slot that ought to be similar to a harddrive RAID setup - Idea being to simply get more speed out of the cards. Maybe that's something in the works for Epic and Scarlet with those higher frame rates. With something like this the consistency of the cards might not be as important, nor might the speed be quite so important.

Paul
 
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