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Aeon Cine Titan Lite Review (and comparison testing)

Gavin Greenwalt

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I've been in the market for a good shoulder rig for the last few years. In fact in high school I made my first shoulder system out of wood, and again in college developed "The Pod" which was a funky tripod head with water bottles for counter balances and a foam pad duck-taped on. However with the purchase of my Scarlet and then Epic the pressure to find a quality shoulder system was ramped up.

One of my big requirements was speed of switching from a tripod or dolly to a handheld rig quickly. Generally when I need a shoulder system I am shooting documentary work not narrative and need to be able to just pop it off and start shooting very quickly. After wandering around NAB like a crazy person and putting everything with foam in it on my shoulder for 2 years I finally managed to narrow my field of contenders to 4 contenders which met that needs. None of the cheap DSLR and REDRock/Redrock knock-off rigs met any of my criteria for comfort, quality or flexibility. You get what you pay for and you aren't paying enough IMO for something that lives on your shoulder for hours and hours on end. I also tried RED's gunner setup but it was 'too clever' for its own good in my opinion. While I could see Gunner being great at specific things, it wasn't enough of a generalist for my liking. It also fails at the tool-less quick transition from handheld to tripod.



On comfort the Action Products "Razor" was my favorite on the show floor. Combined with a dovetail it could also allow me to quickly pop the camera off the shoulder mount and onto a tripod dovetail in a matter of seconds. The downside was that it provided no means of directly attaching grips so I would need to attach and detach the handles to rails (assuming I had rails in every config). This would complicate quickly changing configurations. Also from a financial standpoint it was comparable in price to the Wooden system which would include grips and way more mount options. I like the Razor and would like to see it show up again in a future iteration just as comfy but as part of a more complete package.
http://www.innocinema.com/camera-su...kages/actionproducts-shouldermount-razor.html


Of the 4 systems I liked, the Wooden system was probably my least favorite from a comfort standpoint. It also had very little customizability for grip placement. Operating on a handlebar system both grips have to move in tandem and you have no control over their length. It's by far the least expensive option of the 4 and is very solid, but that came at the price of weight. If any of the rigs could survive the "drop-kick" test it would be Wooden, the thing is built like a tank, but at the cost of weight. One problem with both the Razor and the wooden system is that in order to get both a dovetail and a 15mm LW setup you need to attach a riser for the 15mm and then a bridge plate. Stack both of those on top of dovetail and then put a shoulder pad under that and you have multi-story tower with your camera well above your eye-line. That also adds a lot of weight by having a big heavy bridgeplate and a dovetail on your shoulder. I like the economy but the ergonomics of the two just weren't right.
http://x.corecommerce.com/RED/Shoulder-Rigs-RED/Cruiser-Rubber.html

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The REDUser favorite definitely seems to be the RED Clutch. And for good reason. Although comfort was probably in third place of the systems I tried, with the RED QR, you could go from a tripod to handheld very quickly. The biggest problem with the RED system though is price. You have to buy a QR system for every tripod and you can't use it with a dovetail if you have anything mounted on your 19mm rods. As a result changing from handheld to dovetail appears to be impossible in many situations. The total stack height and speed is certainly better than either the Razor or the WC setup but it's not quite perfect. At $4,000-$5,000 it's also more than double the price of any of the other options. Ultimately it just wasn't what I was looking for.
http://www.red.com/store/products/clutch-shoulder-rig


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The final contender and the system I finally ended up buying was the AeonCine Titan Lite. The Titan has a bridgeplate that screws directly to the camera and can mount onto a dovetail as is but the shoulder pad itself isn't a dovetail it cleverly snaps in under the camera keeping the camera as low and tight as a directly mounted shoulder pad. In fact the top of the shoulder pad actually extends up above where a dovetail would sit. The bridgeplate itself is extremely lightweight. I'm not sure I would trust it with a 50lb Optimo Zoom tilted straight down but for 99.9% of my shooting it seems perfectly sufficient for my day-in-day-out bridge plate. I'm not sure I would even trust my WC bridgeplate in that sort of situation either.

The Titan isn't cheap though. At $2,800 for the base package it's a bargain when compared to The clutch and in line with a Razor setup but still the price of almost 3 WC rigs and god only knows how many Redrock shoulder pads. Personally I felt the build quality, flexibility, comfort and configuration speed justified the price.
http://www.aeoncine.com/

The two systems I didn't get a chance to ever test in person were the All-Star and the Mantis... both of which appear very similar to one another however both suffer from the same problem as the WC in that you need a full bridge plate on top of the shoulder mount + a riser, resulting in the really high center of balance.
 
Titan Review

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3- months and a couple projects in from purchase I've had a chance to get pretty familiar with the Titan system and still feel like I made the right choice for a number of reasons:

Of the 4 options, Titan was the 2nd most comfortable that I tested on the show floor. And as promised by the developers, the final product is an improvement over the prototype they had at NAB. The shoulder module allows for a little bit (the website says it's +/- 20 degrees) of rotation to actually match the slope of your shoulder. Having dislocated my shoulder some years ago, I'm really sensitive to poor ergonomics and the Titan system works splendidly. It doesn't lock with a rosette like the Razor however I actually found that to be a benefit when operating since it let me shift the weight around a little bit every so often to keep things comfortable. There is a friction lever which adjusts how difficult it is to roll however in my testing I found that with so much leverage and force from a 10lb+ camera and long arms there is almost no difference between the "tight" and "loose" settings; if you want to roll the camera it'll roll regardless. What the friction lever on the shoulder pad does seem to accomplish is the ability to make tiny adjustments forward and backwards to dial in the balance. I've shot for more than 6 hours straight with the Titan, only taking the camera off my shoulder for a couple minutes at a time to rest and found this ability to shift the weight, even if it's pretty small, very helpful in keeping my shoulder fresh. I'm not sure if even my first pick for ergonomics on the show floor, The Razor, would have been able to keep me fresh that long. All in all the Titan reminds me a lot of my similar-in-name-sounding-Herman-Miller-Aeron chair; when you first sit in it... it's not the most comfortable thing you've probably tried but after a long day when your back isn't killing you--you recognize the ingenuity of the ergonomics.

The arms and grips on the Titan are mounted onto a mini-dovetail of sorts that slides into the front of the bridge plate as a single piece. In order to switch between a tripod and a handheld configuration you:
1) lift up on a tiny pin and slide out the arm and grip assembly
2) flip one lever to release the shoulder pad module and...
3) mount your camera on the dovetail as with any other bridge plate setup.

The whole process only takes about a couple seconds and was one of the things that really appealed to me about the design. Of all the systems I tested Aeon was hands down the fastest in its ability to both transition from handheld to studio but also for configuration. The trickiest part in the process is step 1 as it can be difficult with rods and lens etc to reach the pin release. Aeon says they're looking into a fix however it's not by any means a deal breaker.

The arms themselves are similar to RED's Clutch. The base package ships with two wishbones per side (as opposed to The Clutch's single wishbone per side) and then a two-axis wrist for the grip. The website and videos show a single friction locking ball joint however the shipping model is a double-rosette angle bracket. I think I would prefer the ball joint since adjusting two rosettes is pretty tricky to get right however I really like the double wishbones for the arms. They can be a little tricky to get the hang of but I can very quickly rotate up the arms so that they are short and close for documentary style shooting or drop them down and out for a more relaxed configuration. I felt like The Clutch's range was a little too short with a single wishbone per arm and holding your arms up too high causes shoulder fatigue and strain very quickly.

The arms also have standard sized mounting points along the wishbone. I generally use these for mounting a noga arm for my LCD however Aeon also ships a tiny mounting bracket as well that lets you directly mount your RED LCD to one of the wishbones. Both worked well however screwing your LCD onto the arm directly runs counter to my desire for ultra fast conversion between handheld and tripod. I'm considering picking up a couple NATO rails and switching my LCD over to a NATO system to switch back and forth. Aeon also makes a top mount which looks fantastic but is a little too rich for my blood. So far my $30 Amazon Israeli arms are working well.

The Titan system also ships with the option to place a wishbone in the back and mount a battery plate. This setup lets you significantly lower the center of balance or better balance with a long zoom. I was initially a bit turned off by the setup just because I would either need to buy a second battery plate or else screw and unscrew my battery plate from the Aeon back plate and my x quick release plate. I came up with a clever solution though. I just bought one of the RED accessory mounts (http://www.red.com/store/products/accessory-v-mount) and put that onto the Aeon battery plate. Now I can in seconds slide the battery plate off the back of my epic and onto the battery on the shoulder rig. Alternately I'm exploring options to use the rear wishbone suspended plate to mount my Blackmagic Shuttle for Pro-Res recording. Ideally now, inspired by my success with V-Mount battery plate I am trying to figure out a way to add a x accessory v-mount adapter to my BM Shuttle. Having a nice little balancing arm on the back for accessories has opened a lot of options and I don't feel like I've even scratched the surface yet on how to maximize the potential there.

All in all I've been extremely happy with my Titan rig. With a busted shoulder and a bad back, ergonomics is non-negotiable for me and the Titan met and exceeded all of my expectations. I realize my demands on transformation speed might be viewed as excessive by some :D but to the Titan's credit it actually met my somewhat outlandish dreams. I've had a couple teething issues (one of the rosette joints was loose and needed a little tightening and locktite) but most importantly Aeon Cine has been really responsive feedback and made sure everything works perfectly. I'm more than happy to troubleshoot tiny glitches if it means the manufacturer is engaged and supportive. I would rather have a few tiny bugs that can be fixed quickly than to feel like I'm on my own without any support. I haven't had the Titan long enough to speak to its long term durability however the build quality overall feels generally excellent in my use so far and should I run into any problems based on my experiences with the Aeon Cine team I have no doubt I'll be taken care of in very short order. I don't review very many products but whenever I run into one like the Titan I feel obligated to share my experiences and put in a good word where a good word is due.

Speaking of giving credit where credit is due I did run into one big show stopping problem when I received my Titan and that was that it's incompatible with the WC dovetail. Apparently there is a slight mismatch between an Arri dovetail in practice and what the theoretical design would suggest. The Titan design assumes that the corners are beveled (as are all dovetails in practice except for WC's) which results in WC's dovetail being slightly too wide at the top. To Wooden's credit when I brought up this incompatibility they offered to refund me my dovetail even though I've had it for over a year and even though they arguably aren't in the wrong. That's some amazing service right there as well and is just one of many reasons why I also love Wooden's products and people so much even if I didn't end up going with their shoulder system.
 
<< Saved for pics and later additions /w further testing >>

So I had a little breakthrough in that I didn't need the battery plate in-between the red v-mount point and the Aeon battery arm. Here is a quick video on how quickly you can switch between a lower center-of-gravity and a tighter rig depending on the lens size. This video just demonstrates how quick you can change between the two layouts.


Here is the little rig I have setup for my Blackmagic Shuttle for ProRes and DNxHD proxy recording:


This lets me have both a battery on the back of the Epic and then have the Blackmagic Shuttle on at the same time. .
 
Great review! Thank you Gavin! Really looking forward to more of the insight incl the pictures :)
 
Nice reviews Gavin,

but for me none of this systems has worked out at the end, as the most important thing for my Shoulder is the adjustability of the Pivoting shoulder Pad, all else falls in second place, and that is why I am to make do for now, with the Shoulder and dovetail from ET (not the most comfortable and well design at all btw, but still the only one that I found allows for pivoting leveling) and the Handles from RED, which to me are the most comfortable out there and offer the best grip in any situation.

I guess now that I will be back inLA I'll have to stop by RED and hit up Matt for a new Shoulder Pad design to fit my particular needs... ;)
 
Hey Ketch, how are you?
Have you actually put a Titan on your shoulder before concluding what you say?
because there is a pivot right were you needed it and works in a different way.
I think its more subjective way to tell if its for you or not,by trying , and I will agree with you that maybe it isn't.
Nothing is 100% good for everyone.
Thanks in advance
 
Nice reviews Gavin,

but for me none of this systems has worked out at the end, as the most important thing for my Shoulder is the adjustability of the Pivoting shoulder Pad, all else falls in second place, and that is why I am to make do for now, with the Shoulder and dovetail from ET (not the most comfortable and well design at all btw, but still the only one that I found allows for pivoting leveling) and the Handles from RED, which to me are the most comfortable out there and offer the best grip in any situation.

I guess now that I will be back inLA I'll have to stop by RED and hit up Matt for a new Shoulder Pad design to fit my particular needs... ;)

Thank you for a nice review Gavin. I remember you from NAB and didn't know you went for one in the end. Glad Anders and kostas has been taking care of you and that you're happy with it.

As for you Ketch? When have you actually had a Titan on you're shoulders? It seems impossible to me that you have so I'm interested in who's rig you managed to get hold of? I have a strong feeling you might have been a little trigger happy with the keyboard and miscommunication in you're post has happened :). As it's very unlikely you've been near one :). My apologies if I'm wrong.
 
I have had the early Titan prototype out for for a musicvideo some months ago, and was very satisfied, except for at few minor things(It was after all a prototype), that have been completely rectified in the production model as I see it.

Will be buying the production model very soon, and will be back with more findings.

(Owned the Mantis for a few years, but sold it as I felt the camera sat too high. Bad center of gravity and a "helmet"camera feel+ the arms where too long)
 
Hey Ketch, how are you?
Have you actually put a Titan on your shoulder before concluding what you say?
because there is a pivot right were you needed it and works in a different way.
I think its more subjective way to tell if its for you or not,by trying , and I will agree with you that maybe it isn't.
Nothing is 100% good for everyone.
Thanks in advance

Thank you for a nice review Gavin. I remember you from NAB and didn't know you went for one in the end. Glad Anders and kostas has been taking care of you and that you're happy with it.

As for you Ketch? When have you actually had a Titan on you're shoulders? It seems impossible to me that you have so I'm interested in who's rig you managed to get hold of? I have a strong feeling you might have been a little trigger happy with the keyboard and miscommunication in you're post has happened :). As it's very unlikely you've been near one :). My apologies if I'm wrong.


No, I have not used the Titan, even so we were in communication but then it died out...


I said the above based on what I see and Gavin's review, but very glad to be wrong about it and see that the Titan does indeed a=have a leveling pivot under the shoulder Pad, and I should look forward to test it to see if this does fit my needs.

Few more minutes of time to answer to this...

Back when we were exchanging emails on the possibility to trying out a pro to and or have aunt built to purpose for me, I talked much about the importance of the leveling Pivoting piece in the shoulder Pad, and was sent several designs showcasing it, and was eager for that to be completed, then all got quite and I never got emails back, so I stopped inquiring as well.

I was in fact surprise to see on drawings or solid proof of such system been implemented on the Titan, as to me and many I have talked to, that is a key element.


And yes, I did reply too quickly right before taking off and keyboard trigger happy makes for most of the time the wrong reply... ;)
 
Hi Ketch,

I'm sad to hear you think that it died. We were truly happy for the interest. but as we sadly explained and apologized for. Was that we unfortunately didn't have any more prototypes to spare. We're a young company starting up and with all the R&D we had/ have regarding this and other exciting projects. That we're working on. The Titan's existing was unfortunately already promised. We would have loved to be able to spare, but simply couldn't.
 
No, I have not used the Titan, even so we were in communication but then it died out...


I said the above based on what I see and Gavin's review, but very glad to be wrong about it and see that the Titan does indeed a=have a leveling pivot under the shoulder Pad, and I should look forward to test it to see if this does fit my needs.

Few more minutes of time to answer to this...

Back when we were exchanging emails on the possibility to trying out a pro to and or have aunt built to purpose for me, I talked much about the importance of the leveling Pivoting piece in the shoulder Pad, and was sent several designs showcasing it, and was eager for that to be completed, then all got quite and I never got emails back, so I stopped inquiring as well.

I was in fact surprise to see on drawings or solid proof of such system been implemented on the Titan, as to me and many I have talked to, that is a key element.


And yes, I did reply too quickly right before taking off and keyboard trigger happy makes for most of the time the wrong reply... ;)

Hello Ketch. From what I remember we have talked about the possibility of maybe integrating you current rig, which were bits of the Clutch to have a pivot, as you didn't want to go all the way.
I don't remember sending you any drawings you are referring too, I just said that I can do it, and I will look at it, and if its a good idea for the production, as there are other factors involved as well I will do it.
All I have send you was some Titan pictures and ask you if you would be at NAB to test it.
The Titan was already there, and with its patented pivot too.
Then all of our emails were about 3d rigs.

We did not talk about a custom order for you, all I said is that I can give a solution, and I will come back to you when when we are ready.

Unfortunately I was rather busy with the Titan and other very complex prototypes so I didn't have the time to do this.

Sorry for the miscommunication but there were no promises or dates stated, just a few constructive talk emails.



I hope that resolves everything

Best regards
 
No problem Fredrik, completely understand.


Hello Constantine, you forgot an "h" at the end of my name... ;)


By Custom rig I meant exactly that, an integration of pieces to fit parts of the Clutch, so in this term a customized rig to fit my needs, I am a particular case, do to the injuries sustained during the days of Fighting, and the surgeries in most recent years, and as a result my current conditions, for this a Shoulder rig must fit exactly my personalized needs, and that is why I have tried every rig available and then made my own by uniting pieces of the ET Mantis and the RED Clutch, but still not happy, I was hoping by our communications that your Shoulder Pad was actually to be the final answer.

I never said anything about dates and or promises, just a communication gone quite...

The reason I didn't wanted to go all the way, is because your design does not fit my needs with all the pieces, and I am very happy with the RED Handles Grips, and do not want any extensions on the handles, just a Shoulder Pad, an Arri type standard Dovetail, a pair of Handle Grips, and that is it, that is what fits my needs.


And if I don't find a final solution, no problem, I'll have built myself... ;)
 
Ketch sorry for the H missing.

sorry you cant adapt your handles a bits on the Titan, however you can use half of the bones so you don't have to have a long handle and grip, you just use half of them.

In anyway, Special case needs special care,

best regards
 
I use only the RED QRP systems, make use of all, the QRP Pack, QRP Bolt on, QRP Dovetail, I have one mounted in each piece of gear, might hat be Tripod, Jib, Shoulder mount, Small light weight 100mm sticks or large heavy duty Mitchell mount sticks.

Some are in the DovePlate which can of course slide i and out off either system, others are without Universal mount, when not in need of Rods mounted for either lens support or MB, and an other is the type that I actually screw in tight to a quick release top plate that can go strait in the Fluid's Head.

Basically what I do is either pop out the Camera it self, or the Camera's QR Plate or the QR Platform Pack it self, or the QR Bolt in plate, by mounting under it a Mooting Plate, so that I can just with the quick swivel of the safety lever be on my way to a new set up in seconds.

And for this I would only consider a shoulder Pad that I can continue to use this system, so it must be Arri stander type Dove tail to allow me to continue using what I use, but I don't always need to have Arri type dovetail on it, s at times I just need to mount the camera only.

Any way, almost forgot to say that it does not matter what I sue, as I could easily bolt on to your top shoulder Pad plate anything I want really and then go for there.

The question is to see the angle of the Leveling Pivoting system if it works for me, the comfort of the actual Pad, and how I can integrate the Red Handles without any added extra length as it is shown now in the pics, I need my hands at shoulder level, very tight and close to the camera it self.


But I guess, what could work for me, is a Spartan solution minus the 2 Straight Extension Bones and the 2 Front Bones pieces, that is if I like the fill of the handles, most importantly if my Finger Bones like them, and then to see how far in the Y front section were you mount the Grips seats in relation to my body width.
 
Honestly Ketch. You can of course use our system as is and that we through some alter fixation make it for you... But center of gravity wouldn't be preferably - as our "full" solution makes it unique. On the other hand we have other "projects" planned as we're adapting our ideas for all cameras. One of them that Kostas has designed would probably be more suitable.

Thank you for the interest :)
 
Si Fredrik,

I see things differently as a user, were I have found and continue to find myself in extreme of situation during shoots, and have tested and used just about every piece of gear, old and new, and some prototypes that have never seen the light of day, and others will soon, but as for the shoulder rig, I know for fact that I do not want anything sticking out form my back out words, and elongated to bump in to things or in to people, it needs to be just that, the Shoulder Pad, dovetail, handles, camera on top and here we go, anything else, if and when needed like an extra weight should be attached to back of Shoulder Pad, as a flat weight in the form of batteries, two or even four next to each other, but right against the back of the user, not far away form it.

Have tired protos and they work just great for me, and the one I will be designing when I get to it, will be as such, but I am thinking more in line with what I do when doing paramilitary training, all your cargo must be as if part of your own body, in fact be an extension of it.

Mean while I will most definitely look forward to test your unit, but again, I don't need all the Bones, any way, if I get a chance to find a unit while still in Italy or in Spain in the possible week to come, or when I get to LA, I'll test it out.
 
Ketch with all respect , please consider that you are probably not aware what the titan can be set to do, there are more than 8 different configurations, and that's exactly why it has been designed to do, fit different styles. You want it short and minimum , its there. You want it long and with a lot of inertia its there. You want efp style its there, long or short arms you can do it, rise or lower the battery back at any 3 axis degrees rotation and height, its there, closer to the camera right on, no problem.
The user is the one that defines whats best for him and his preferable style.
As I said its all good , do your thing, make your rigs, suit your needs.
If the Titan isn't the one for you, you will find something better for your needs.
But so far you have missed more that 2 very important features on the Titan and you probably missing more as those were the most obvious.
All good, and I hope you find what you are looking for at the end.
regards
 
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