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Advice for those trying to work in production!

Jay Drose

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Wanted to reach out to you guys to get your opinion on getting oneself working more in production (IE: 1st/2nd AD, UPM, Production Coordinating, etc.). I know the majority of Redusers are largely involved in camera department, but eager to hear from anyone who has advice on getting more experience getting and working these types of jobs.

Like much of the work in the industry, production seems very much like a Catch-22. I've been lucky enough to be able to 1st AD several short films/pilots for close contacts, the last being a well-budgeted pilot. The work is so unpredictable and rare, however, and I simply haven't been able to get the experience I desire. More importantly, I haven't been able to find something like a mentor for this kind of work.

The film industry axiom is to be P.A. and work your way up. I've P.A'ed quite a bit (some of it great, some of it not so) and its led to unsubstantial work over the years. I simply can't get my foot in the door like I want to.

The skill set of those in the Camera/G&E/Art department is very clear when on set. If you know your craft on day one, everybody can easily recognize it. The jobs of those in production are much more vague and subjective, however. It always depends on whether the person can communicate well, keep themselves organized, maintain discipline under the stress of those above, etc. These skills are much less discernible than the literalness of being able to rig an HMI correctly.

What are your thoughts/experiences? Any working, established AD's out there? As always, this community has reached to those who are able and working. Would love to hear your guys thoughts.
 
My 1st AD is literally the most important person on my set. The saving grace to any film set is having a shithot 1st AD. I can't emphasise that enough. I use the same 1st AD everytime. She hold everything together. She doesn't take any shit and doesn't dish it out either - plus keeps me in check and on time. Its a difficult one because, like you said, even from screening a film such roles like camera/sound/post prod are prevalent, these kind of roles can't be seen.

Experience, letters of recommendation, word of mouth, networking.
 
True, it's hard to recognize good production work. But this is also why ADs get residuals too.

Try the DGA Trainee program or keep PAing. It takes 3 years or so to get into the DGA from a PA. If you're not getting quality work and moving up to "set PA" or always working - find new ADs/production managers to work for and/or improve yourself. Not saying you but a lot of people don't understand how to "work" in this industry.



There is also a newly published book - manual on being a PA....
http://www.studiodaily.com/store/books/235.html
 
My best piece of advice is the same for any career. Building a career is like building a sand castle in the surf. You keep heaping sand into the waves and they seem to just wash away but if you work fast and hard enough suddenly out of seemingly nothing there'll be a little breakwater.

It's never that last handful of sand that gets you established it's the what seemed before wasteful heaping that built the loose foundation for dry land to stick. Most of the effort is wasted but you can never know which, not even often in retrospect. :D

It seems like even 'established' professionals tend to get their work and opportunities from a very small number of sources. Building enough of those sources to get consistent work is a slow process.
 
No experience myself but have you tried applying for this?

http://www.dgatrainingprogram.org/

My ex-girlfriend went through the dga training program. It's very tough to get into as they only accept 10-15 people a year (there is one in NY and LA). At least one person from every class drops out the first week.

It is however the BEST way to become an AD. Prepare to literally give up 2 years of your life being a DGA trainee (aka indentured servant), but it is well worth it in the end. If you don't get accepted the first time keep trying every year, and keep PA'ing to earn your days the hard way.

The DGA training program is basically like 2 years of boot camp. They beat your ass like a pinata and then mold you into a decent AD.
If you can handle 2 years of hell, going to work at 4:30am and getting off work at 2am, having everyone hate you and treat you like crap, having zero personal life, go for it.

Of course, the DGA training plan is considered the "easy" way into the union.
 
Went to film school, ended up in theatre production and still trying to break out of it back into film. At least I'm meeting people.
 
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